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DroidKnight said:
JWeinCom said:

Difference is that those conditions are not contagious, and the risks cannot be greatly mitigated by taking a shot about once every six months. A lot of people try to overcome addiction and fail despite their best efforts. It's virtually impossible to try and get vaccinated and fail.

You also missed the point.  The point I was trying to make is that if you start selecting now who you will treat or not treat due to being vaccinated or non-vaccinated, then whats to stop the dictating of treatments for other ailments that may be able to be prevented.  Once that door is opened there will be a flood of bullshit that will rush in.  It will not stop with just Covid related issues, you can fill in your own examples that will be better suited for the Covid comparisons but my point is that door should not be opened.  What's to stop treatment being denied for personal beliefs, religious beliefs, political affiliations, race, intellect, or income level?

A person wasn't addicted to cigarettes, drugs, or alcohol before they started doing it so it's their fault they were stupid enough to start and shouldn't be allowed treatment (but again this is not the point).  I only used it as an example as to what might constitute another reason to deny treatment.  Again, don't open up that door.  Some people are predisposed to make stupid decisions.  I'm one of them.  I'm over-weight, former smoker, still drink and am guilty of other vices I won't mention here.  I refuse to judge anyone because I sure as hell have no standing.

The slippery slope argument is the argument that we shouldn't make a smart choice today out of fear we may have to make one tomorrow.

The fact of the matter is that the door has been open for a long time. When there is a scarcity of a medical resource it may be rationed based on certain factors. For instance, if you are a smoker you are very unlikely to receive an organ transplant over a similarly situated non-smoker.

What would stop people from being denied for personal beliefs, religious beliefs, political affiliations, race, intellect, or income level (lulz income doesn't matter for healthcare), is that none of those have anything to do with assumption of risk. I'm not suggesting that we deny antivaxxers treatment because I dislike them or their life is inherently less valuable. It's because if two people both need a hospital bed, one purely (or primarily) due to their own actions and one because of something they had no control over, then clearly our priority should be the person who had no hand in their misfortune. Otherwise, that person is paying the price for someone else's bad choice, which is plainly unjust.

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 09 September 2021