Best Doom game?

[Zkuq]

Vinther1991 said:

Zkuq said:

Doom II. The first campaign of the first game is the best Doom has to offer, but I didn't enjoy the other campaigns that much. Doom II is much more consistent. I also enjoyed Doom 3, but it's definitely not the best one either.

The newer ones though? I don't really enjoy the 2016 game much at all, so I probably won't even try Eternal. I hate glory kills, and there's too much incentive to exploring every nook and granny. I'm also not a huge fan of upgrading weapons in the 2016 game. All in all, there's too much to hate and to worry about for what attempts to be a fun and relaxed game more than anything.

?? There is too much incentive to explore? Don't you mean: There is not enough incentive to explore? I mean sure, there are lots of secrets hidden around, but I never felt it was worth it to spent that extra time, rather than just follow the direction the game points, which leads you faster to the action and the goal. The only level that actually feels designed for exploration, is the third level, 'The Foundry'.

It's not just a random medpacks and such that's in the secrets, it's things usable for upgrades and so on. For someone who has a natural tendency to explore every nook and cranny, that's too much, especially considering how easy it is to check if you're missed something. My strong tendence to explore combined with the game telling me too clearly I've missed something makes the game ridiculously tedious to play. Now that I think of it, the originals didn't have this problem, which is probably I never had this problem with them despites the secrets sometimes being quite hard.

Vinther1991 said:

If you don't like the weapon upgrades in DOOM 2016, you will despise it in Eternal, which has much much more of that kind of stuff. It also has its fair share of tutorials.

Oh, I'll have none of that, because I probably won't be getting Eternal (ever). I only got the 2016 game despite by reservations because it was so cheap and I wanted to give it a better chance than the demo.

Vinther1991 said:

I am in general on the positive side when it comes to DOOM 2016, I like the glory kills, the gunplay and the overall ride. But I agree with some of the criticism. And unfortunately the flaws are much worse in Eternal, where it at points feel like they didn't get classic DOOM's design philosophy.

I kind of feel like even the 2016 misses a lot of what made the original games great (at least to me). They took what they thought was great about the original games, pumped them up a hundredfold, slapped some modern features on top, and called it a day. The 2016 game feels like a cold product instead of something made with passion, which is probably exactly what it is - like most AAA games these days, so I don't particularly hold that against just Doom 2016. (And yes, I realize that in a way, the purpose of games, especially big games, is to make money, but you don't have to make it feel like it.)