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I'm not sure where you want to go with the "natural immunity is better than vaccines" ? What point are you trying to make, what is the relevancy?

It says many times in that link that getting Covid to gain immunity is a huge risk and it's defeating the whole purpose of prevention!

Still, Thålin and other researchers stress that deliberate infection among unvaccinated people would put them at significant risk of severe disease and death, or the lingering, significant symptoms of what has been dubbed Long Covid. The study shows the benefits of natural immunity, but “doesn’t take into account what this virus does to the body to get to that point,” says Marion Pepper, an immunologist at the University of Washington, Seattle. COVID-19 has already killed more than 4 million people worldwide and there are concerns that Delta and other SARS-CoV-2 variants are deadlier than the original virus.

Plus the actual effective data sample is far too small for these wild ranging conclusions

“The differences are huge,” says Thålin, although she cautions that the numbers for infections and other events analyzed for the comparisons were “small.” For instance, the higher hospitalization rate in the 32,000-person analysis was based on just eight hospitalizations in a vaccinated group and one in a previously infected group. And the 13-fold increased risk of infection in the same analysis was based on just 238 infections in the vaccinated population, less than 1.5% of the more than 16,000 people, versus 19 reinfections among a similar number of people who once had SARS-CoV-2.

Plus the article goes on

In another analysis, the researchers compared more than 14,000 people who had a confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection and were still unvaccinated with an equivalent number of previously infected people who received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. The team found that the unvaccinated group was twice as likely to be reinfected as the singly vaccinated.

Vaccination still helps if already infected!

As for Ivermectin being a wonder drug, look at all the things smoking weed can cure! It was actually proposed for use against Covid-19 as well. No clue what happened to that study. Must be the anti natural drug lobby. Ahh here it is https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/cannabis-as-a-treatment-for-covid-19/106833/

In France studies showed just smoking helps! https://www.rfi.fr/en/science-and-technology/20210520-could-covid-be-treated-with-nicotine-french-researchers-are-trying-to-find-out-paris-hospital-trial-health-science-medicine

What will be the next wonder drug. Anyway get your nicotine patches, vape some cannabis daily, get your Vitamin D and Ivermectin on hand.


It is well known that you can still get and spread Covid-19 while vaccinated. I don't know how there are still people that don't know this. At least here the government has never said that vaccination makes you 'safe'. In the school guidelines everyone in a cohort and household has to isolate when a positive case is detected, regardless of vaccination status. (Vaccination status does make it easier to return if no symptoms) The daily numbers reports also split out cases between vaccinated and unvaccinated people. 25% to 30% of new cases are in fully vaccinated people.


And this is what happens if you bank on natural immunity to get it over with

About 204,000 children in the U.S. tested positive for COVID-19 in the week ending Aug. 26, the American Academy of Pediatrics reported. The number of cases in children has risen five-fold since the week ending July 22, when 38,000 cases were diagnosed.

“Look what’s happening in the southern U.S., it’s an absolute disaster,” Smart said. “Their ICUs are full of dying children with COVID-19 because they let COVID run completely out of control.

“I really do hope that’s not our situation because we do have much higher vaccination rates,” Smart said. “But if Delta starts running through our pediatric population we will start to see issues - because if a lot of kids get infected there will be children who are incredibly ill. That’s just a numbers game.

Here about 1/3rd of 12-18 have not been vaccinated yet and none under 12. Thanks to relaxed measures and a 2 to 3x more contagious Delta variant, schools are now at high risk while vaccinated people can still spread the disease to schools. Unfortunately schools are now the perfect hot spots for Covid-19 to thrive.


Our 12 year old has decided he wants the jab. Just trying to book an appointment yet despite the government pleading for more people to get vaccinated, most of the options to get the jab have dried up... September 8th is the soonest in the next town over. Locally no longer available. Vaccination rates have stalled here. 66.91% fully vaccinated (up 0.17%) and single dose 73.33% (up 0.08%) while doctors currently say over 90% fully vaccinated is needed for herd immunity (which is only possible with children under 12 also getting the jab).

School starts next week here. Guidelines are still fluid, "Getting ready for September 2021" welcome back to school page is still under construction. In the FAQ there are still things like this NOTE: some processes are still being worked out. Follow the direction of your local public health unit in all cases. 5 days to go, still don't even know what extra supplies they need... Confidence level is zero.