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sundin13 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

In regard to your first paragraph. I don't believe right wing groups are a serious threat, not sure if you agree. In fact, I don't believe they can be because our government would come down on them very harshly if they behaved like BLM or Antifa. I also believe the media would love if right wing groups were a bigger threat, they would love that narrative to really be true.

I'm gonna be frank, crime has risen around the country. RISING CRIME IS NOT JUST A BLUE CITY/STATE ISSUE... HOWEVER, there is a disparity around the country given how its being responded too. The cities that opted to demoralize police or reduce their efforts are seeing a bigger impact. Hence, its accurate to say crime rising is a recent problem. But its clearly affect blue cities more significantly, I mean we saw where major riots occurred for example. To the contrary, people attempting riot in my city didn't have much luck.

"you can't just point to Biden's platform." Actually, I can do that and we see the results.

I would agree that when speaking about the overall scope of crime in the United States, far right groups wouldn't make much of a dent, but that doesn't mean they aren't of concern. Several mass shooting events in the last few years have been motivated by far right views such as the El Paso Walmart shooting and the Pittsburgh Synagogue shooting, so it is certainly a threat worth addressing. I'm not going to address the nonsense in the rest of this first paragraph. 

As for the second paragraph, you haven't really backed this up with much evidence. As previously stated, analyses of BLM protests show that there is not a correlation between such protests and increases in violent crime, so this generally serves as a fairly poor hypothesis to explain the increase in crime. Further, I would just like to add that when the police murder people, causing people to lose faith in them, the blame for this should rest on the police and it is up to them to regain trust by listening to the communities they serve. 

And for the last paragraph, correlation doesn't equal causation. Do better.

"I would agree that when speaking about the overall scope of crime in the United States, far right groups wouldn't make much of a dent, but that doesn't mean they aren't of concern." Individuals with extreme views committing violence comes from all sides. Many mass shootings are also gang related. The media love the right wing stuff for a narrative. Either way, I think we agree overall violent crime has little to do with extremist people/groups. Extremist groups committing crime do need to be dealt with, but the primary reasons people don't feel safe has little to do with them.

I think you're confused by my second paragraph. The primary point was blue cities are seeing a bigger increase in crime due to them essentially demoralizing police without having any other solution to deal with crime. And I'm glad that's happening, people that assume the worst of police but not criminals deserve what they get. Although, gun sales have gone up significantly because people do recognize criminals need to die.

My perspective is the police are people that deal with the worst of our communities. If people want less police and more guns to kill criminals, I kinda like that. We are like the Wild West again.

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