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Machiavellian on 13 July 2021
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Mr Puggsly said:
Machiavellian said:

So who exactly claimed that paying illegals lower than minimum wage was a good thing.  This is where reading comprehension comes into play.  The reason we continue to have this conversation is because one party is very happy to keep the status quo.  Giving the current undocumented people worker permits and IDs was something ventured by the Dems.  Now guess what that would have done, allow those undocumented workers to be taxed and also their wages would then have to meet state minimum.  This population isn't going anywhere soon but only one party is happy with things the way it is.  That party has developed a pretty good game plan putting fear into their base that those nasty undocumented immigrants are stealing their jobs, on welfare and committing all kinds of crime.  Its a tried and true gameplay of keeping their constitute in fear because fear is a powerful drug.

"So who exactly claimed that paying illegals lower than minimum wage was a good thing." Anybody who ever said immigrants are great for keeping prices down. Its a common argument.

"The reason we continue to have this conversation is because one party is very happy to keep the status quo." And a certain party is too lax on opening the borders. At best you're in a situation where one side doesn't budge enough and the other is happy to reduce quality of life to stay in power.

"Giving the current undocumented people worker permits and IDs was something ventured by the Dems." At first I thought that might be okay until I realized all the privileges that can also come with. It also encourages behavior we should be discouraging.

"This population isn't going anywhere soon but only one party is happy with things the way it is." Agreed, that's point of open borders.

"That party has developed a pretty good game plan putting fear into their base that those nasty undocumented immigrants are stealing their jobs, on welfare and committing all kinds of crime." Again, adding millions of people to low skill people to the workforce does little for improving quality of life. Which is why big city folk tend to be most vocal about costs of living. Not all people on welfare commit crime, but there seem to be a correlation.

Fear is indeed a powerful drug. Which is why BLM has been so successful. I can't take a walk without white supremacists beating me and throwing bleach on me. In fact, I think all the murders in the hood is actually MAGA people. They shot over 100 in Chicago 4th of July weekend.

I don't get the constant reiterating that I live in fear. We are already seeing the results of left wing ideology and I am enjoying the results. People deserve what they get.

I am getting very bored repeating myself. Any new thoughts?

Are you saying BLM members have beat you and thrown bleach on you.  Where exactly did that happen but if so that is pretty bad.  While I know in the conservative media, Antifa and BLM hold a special place in their heart but the Department of Homeland Security has a nice document where they believe the far right hate groups pose a significant threat to the US.  You do know that there is over 6K far right hate groups that commit crimes, murder and acts of terrorism.  So while getting beat or bleach thrown on you is pretty crappy, at least you are alive unlike a lot of people who come in contact with those groups mentioned in the DHS article.

I noticed when people want to talk about black crime or murder, they always go to Chicago.  Its the go to city as if black people only live in that one city in the US.  Its the banner place for conservative media because they can always say, "What about Chicago".  I see you are taking that same tactic.  The funny part is that I find that same group love to talk about black on black crime or murder but when you look at the statistics it shows white people kill more white people just as much if not more.  That's a stat that never gets into the conservative media because well, its not a good narrative.  Do not worry, as long as you have Chicago to talk about you can ignore everything else.

Its not more of you living in fear then you accepting the fear rhetoric of the current GOP party.  Currently this is their platform.  Fear everything because it will tear the US apart.  Fear Homosexuals because they are an affront to your GOD.  Fear immigrants because they take import low income jobs away from you.  They live on welfare that they cannot obtain and murder and commit crime which stats shows that they are the lowest group on both.  The reason why I say you live in fear is because you continue to use the talking points of that party and thus you have conditioned yourself whether you know it or not to believe in those statements without actually doing any real research on the subject.

The boring part is that not once have you even tried to support your opinion.  I actually thought you might have something to discuss or some data we all could look at and analyze but instead you basically just dropped some pure opinion.  You should have done the drop the opinion and then peace out since you really had no interest in defending your claim besides the usual Dems are bad.  You are right, you never really did have anything to bring to the conversation so why don't you just drop your opinion and do the peace out.