'Heartbreaking' conditions in US migrant child camp

[Mr Puggsly]

Machiavellian said:

Mr Puggsly said:

Ideally you throw them out. Not give them and their family a free trip. I mean what Biden is doing is nice, but it doesn't benefit the country and clearly encourages more people to come. I guess that's fine if that's actually what you want. Meanwhile you get the Vice President to say "don't come" while doing the exact opposite of discouraging them.

"Yes, it could take years before your court date but its not like you are living in some city while this is going on, you are basically still in jail." Sure, they spend years in, "jail." I would consider you naive if you really believe that. A better holding facility would be their home country, ya know... if you actually wanted to discourage this crap. On a side note, we don't get everyone coming in. I assure you the current administration isn't hunting people down either.

Coming from a poor or somewhat dangerous country should not even be entertained for asylum. That's simply much of the world or democrat run cities.

I think you're leaning into semantics. I understand not all people coming over is equal or how its done. Either way, all of this is a burden on the country. Security is poor, it will be a drain on resources, after years of waiting people also become entitled to stay (but you know this). Flooding the country with many people is the real intent and its gonna lower quality of life. I honestly don't fear this regardless if that's constantly suggested. Again, I laugh at the suffering lefty ideas have brought, its very deserved. When I see the murder rates and crime is rising, I get comfort knowing its hurting left wing voters most.

Although, I want to make one thing clear. I do credit the democrats for actually doing something great in recent time. Gun sales have gone up significantly, so has gun owners. As a pro gun person, that's always a good thing. I do wish dems would do more about violent criminals with guns, but that would put many democrat supporters in jail.

So just so I am not putting words in your mouth, your position is that if someone is seeking asylum and not crossing the boarder illegally, that your position is to throw them out of the US.  Is this correct.  So you believe that this will discourage them from coming to the US.  So what is the metric that you are using based on that position. Before the Pandemic, from the graph I showed previously, that did not slow anything down.  Maybe you have a different graph.

Actually to seek asylum its has nothing to do if your country is poor or dangerous, instead there needs to be some sort of persecution.  That means that its not about violence within your country.  Why don't you read up on the policy so you do not have to assume on the subject.  Being ignorant on a position does not win you any points.

How is it semantics between illegally crossing the boarder and seeking asylum.  If you believe both are the same, then maybe this is a subject you should not give your opinion on until you have researched it enough.  How exactly is it a burden on the country.  What is your metric as far as asylum seekers burden and what does that have to do with security.  Like I stated there are 2 separate issues which you seem to wrap up into one.  There is illegal immigration and then there are people seeking asylum.  

I love how you Segway to murder and crime and somehow doing one of those famous GOP tactics where you attempt to place those type of issues on asylum seekers where I would love for you to prove their group is part of the crime and murder.  Not once have you provided one ounce of proof for this position but as I have stated before, facts and stats are not relevant for pure opinion.  They get in the way and basically all you can say is "I want you to keep believing blah blah". Basically you can just come out and say this is the way I feel and we can leave it at that.  There is never any sense in debating what someone feels then what they can prove because the 2 usually never line up.

Interesting stat is that the states with the highest related gun deaths are red states.  Who knows, if they keep buying and killing each other they will turn blue.  Maybe you are right, the Dems plan here is actually pretty successful.

Okay, lets pretend everything immigration has not changed at all. Illegal and otherwise. Also, crime along the border is the same.

"Actually to seek asylum its has nothing to do if your country is poor or dangerous, instead there needs to be some sort of persecution." You haven't seen the excuses being made by your party. Also, the policy has become just let em' in and never throw them out. This will be a burden on the country. More low skilled poor people among the many we already have. More people to require welfare of some sort.

I'm don't have the best command of the English language either, but the word is "segue." While Segway is that thing security people ride around on. Either way, I wasn't solely blaming foreigners for crime. Mostly the policies by the left that encourages decline in quality of life in general.

Looking solely at a state can be misleading. Instead, look closer at the cities. Hence, a red state can still have blue run cities which accounts for much of the crime. Some blue states also downplay the high number of dead bodies just by looking at murders per capita. The demographics of crime tend to be much the same around the country. I think much of it goes ignored because not putting away the dregs of society is somehow important.

A while back I was having a discussion with someone about crime in Alaska. It has a high murder rate per capita, among the highest in domestic violence in the country, etc. Then I took a closer look at where the crime was happening, demographics and voting trends of those areas. Needless to say, that ended in me being called racist.