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Machiavellian on 10 July 2021
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Mr Puggsly said:
Machiavellian said:

I just want to make sure I understand correctly.  So with President Biden, there was a policy change where if you are an illegal immigrant who cross the boarder illegally, you are flown to any state you want and you can wait within the US for years until your court date.  You get to live your life like nothing happen and you are not detained within a holding facility (pretty much a prison).  I want to be sure I am getting your claim correctly because I do not want to put words in your mouth.  So you are saying that under Trump, those illegal immigrants were sent back to their country to wait for a court date is that correct.  

If that is correct, can you ask your black TSA friend what is the name of that policy that changed that under Biden because from my first hand knowledge I am going to have to call BS.

First and foremost, there is no change as far as illegal immigrants who get caught in the US illegally.  You still get held by ICE and you still get sent to a detention facility until your court date.  Yes, it could take years before your court date but its not like you are living in some city while this is going on, you are basically still in jail.

What your friend may be talking about is when someone comes to the boarder and seek asylum.  This is not illegal immigration since they did not cross the boarder illegally.  In this respect the Trump Administration instituted the MPP or The Migrant Protection Protocols.  This is the policy that says if you came into the US from somewhere seeking asylum then you stay there until your court date.  This policy was changed under the Biden Administration but then again this is not illegal immigration.  

I believe you really need to understand the difference between someone seeking asylum and someone just crossing the boarder illegally because the 2 are not the same.

Ideally you throw them out. Not give them and their family a free trip. I mean what Biden is doing is nice, but it doesn't benefit the country and clearly encourages more people to come. I guess that's fine if that's actually what you want. Meanwhile you get the Vice President to say "don't come" while doing the exact opposite of discouraging them.

"Yes, it could take years before your court date but its not like you are living in some city while this is going on, you are basically still in jail." Sure, they spend years in, "jail." I would consider you naive if you really believe that. A better holding facility would be their home country, ya know... if you actually wanted to discourage this crap. On a side note, we don't get everyone coming in. I assure you the current administration isn't hunting people down either.

Coming from a poor or somewhat dangerous country should not even be entertained for asylum. That's simply much of the world or democrat run cities.

I think you're leaning into semantics. I understand not all people coming over is equal or how its done. Either way, all of this is a burden on the country. Security is poor, it will be a drain on resources, after years of waiting people also become entitled to stay (but you know this). Flooding the country with many people is the real intent and its gonna lower quality of life. I honestly don't fear this regardless if that's constantly suggested. Again, I laugh at the suffering lefty ideas have brought, its very deserved. When I see the murder rates and crime is rising, I get comfort knowing its hurting left wing voters most.

Although, I want to make one thing clear. I do credit the democrats for actually doing something great in recent time. Gun sales have gone up significantly, so has gun owners. As a pro gun person, that's always a good thing. I do wish dems would do more about violent criminals with guns, but that would put many democrat supporters in jail.

So just so I am not putting words in your mouth, your position is that if someone is seeking asylum and not crossing the boarder illegally, that your position is to throw them out of the US.  Is this correct.  So you believe that this will discourage them from coming to the US.  So what is the metric that you are using based on that position. Before the Pandemic, from the graph I showed previously, that did not slow anything down.  Maybe you have a different graph.

Actually to seek asylum its has nothing to do if your country is poor or dangerous, instead there needs to be some sort of persecution.  That means that its not about violence within your country.  Why don't you read up on the policy so you do not have to assume on the subject.  Being ignorant on a position does not win you any points.

How is it semantics between illegally crossing the boarder and seeking asylum.  If you believe both are the same, then maybe this is a subject you should not give your opinion on until you have researched it enough.  How exactly is it a burden on the country.  What is your metric as far as asylum seekers burden and what does that have to do with security.  Like I stated there are 2 separate issues which you seem to wrap up into one.  There is illegal immigration and then there are people seeking asylum.  

I love how you Segway to murder and crime and somehow doing one of those famous GOP tactics where you attempt to place those type of issues on asylum seekers where I would love for you to prove their group is part of the crime and murder.  Not once have you provided one ounce of proof for this position but as I have stated before, facts and stats are not relevant for pure opinion.  They get in the way and basically all you can say is "I want you to keep believing blah blah". Basically you can just come out and say this is the way I feel and we can leave it at that.  There is never any sense in debating what someone feels then what they can prove because the 2 usually never line up.

Interesting stat is that the states with the highest related gun deaths are red states.  Who knows, if they keep buying and killing each other they will turn blue.  Maybe you are right, the Dems plan here is actually pretty successful.