Mr Puggsly said:
Machiavellian said:
Yes, the boarder situation which has gone up and down based on the document that I posted shows that this is a tread that has been happening for decades no matter the President. Basically you just did what pretty much most of the same people you talk about do, they dismiss concrete information for opinion. You care more about the look then the facts and it allow you to get on the old bandwagon. You seem to wrap 2 separate issues into one. The first issue is children left at the boarder and actual illegal entry. These 2 situations are not the same but they are wrapped in the same holy war because its convenient. Where are your stats or document to show the increase in crime or is that to hard for you to muster. I mean since you are so convinced I am sure you have the stats to prove it or is this just another opinion formed in your mind but with little in the way of documented facts to prove. That is the state where we seem to be at where opinion is the guiding force which is easily manipulated. Kept in fear, manipulated in believing lies, misinformation and propaganda. The fact is that we are so intent on trying to stop people from coming here using something as inefficient as a wall instead of doing something more productive inside and outside of the US. We already have a nice undocumented population who actually work. Lets get them IDs so they can put their money into the system. Lets provide work permits for people who want to work but do not want to stay. Employers can list their needs and people who are already working those jobs can get IDs and contribute. We really need to stop wasting a 3rd of our GDP on our military when that money could solve so much within the US. Universal Healthcare alone would be the benefit. In order to get actual real healthcare by having a job should not be the standard. Republicans love to nix any Universal Healthcare and make it condition on a job but lose your Job for any length of time and find out just how beat-up that system is. Find out real quick just how expensive it is for insurance if there was no ACA back in the day when Cobra was the only thing you could get. Go through the process of trying to get medicaid when the only person you can get insured is your child. Nothing hits home more than a pandemic and people find out the real cost of GOP policy, when you are out of work hoping for any assistance so you do not lose your house, car, or health. |
Boy, I don't have to say much to get you going/shilling. I feel like you're ignoring the administration caters to illegals. Unsurprisingly, its encouraging significantly more to come over. I prefer you continue thinking border crime is stagnant. Who needs to accept reality? I'm not opposed to all left leaning ideas, I'm opposed to the the dems current agenda of objectively lowering quality of life and pouring resources to places that don't help your average productive US citizen. Opposition to dems exists because many of their ideas have been failing in practice. Its no coincidence blue cities/states are doing worse on many metrics and encouraging people to leave. Again, I'm genuinely not that interested in a debate. You'll get very general responses at best. |
Again, what specific policy caters to illegals. Its very easy to make up these type of opinion comments but I would really like to see the policy that shows this to be true.
I prefer you show me boarder crime is on the rise. You keep making this claim but it seems when asked for the stats, well you seem to go somewhere else. I understand when its pure opinion, stats are a hassle and get in the way.
So what particular policy that has lowered the quality of life that have come from the Dems. I am more than willing to listen to as I am not a Dem nor do I believe everything from the each party is golden. What I do like is when someone can bring concrete examples instead of just pure opinion to the table. Lets take our example as blue cities and people leaving because of failed policy but then again why are the most federal dependent states, meaning the ones who have the most poverty and people on welfare are red states. The thing is, you can always find some issue with any particular state and any particular policy from both parties. The difference is that if you only just listen to one side, all you get is partisan rhetoric.
Again, if you do not want a debate then you probably should not share your opinion. I am more than happy to have my opinion challenge and if I am wrong then I have learned something. If you want to be the person who drop their opinion and peace out, then you probably should not reply to anyone challenging your opinion, that way you never have to worry about if what you believe is correct.
