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SvennoJ said:

Again, you do not have to pay extra to play with a dualsense controller nor to play the game on PS5. They charge for the extra work to implement haptic feedback. You may think that's trivial, but that's a change in the engine to calculate how to translate all interactions to haptic actuators.

You also paid for the speaker in the DS4, not all games use it, same with the track pad and motion controls. That the HW is capable of something extra, doesn't mean all games automatically use it, or that it doesn't cost extra work to make use of the extra features.

MS doesn't offer it all for free, they don't even have haptic feedback. Plus are you annoyed with MS as well that Halo Infinite will have season passes while their direct competitor offered all updates to GT Sport for free?

Why do you call it abuse when a developer wants to get paid for their work? Not every company has the money MS has to disrupt the normal business practice of charging money for work. The abuse is the other way around, shouting how dare developers ask money for their extra work.

Btw if I plug a dual sense into my laptop, will all games automatically have haptic feedback? The comparison with PC is completely flawed.

All XBox shows is that they're backed by a 2 trillion dollar company... Got their by milking their PC customers for all they could get away with, Office 365 ugh.

everyone still buys them because they have no other choice Nope you don't have the choice not to buy something, no sir, you must buy! Good consumer, keep on consuming. There is plenty choice, like an XBox with Gamepass, for those that don't want to get 'abused'.

Not sure what a companies wealth has anything to do with being charged a little fee to play a game using features that should be free in the first place. 

If you like a company to charge you more for something they can easily implement for free than i actually feel sorry for you. You are letting a company treat you like a consumer and not a customer. They know you wont go anywhere, so charging you $10 is easy and you are happy to justify it because its a game you like. Well i hope you say the same thing when it happens to games you don't like and it becomes more common with these things.

Its a very odd comparison, comparing paying for game content to system features. I don't buy season passes and i play Halo for its campaigns. I don't think i own one game that includes a season pass except for Smash Bros Ultimate and again, i have mentioned there is nothing wrong with paying for more in game content. The issue is paying for features you already own. How about Sea Of Thieves new Xpac, the game went from 30fps to 60fps at 4k on the Series X with added Disney content and they did not charge one cent to download and play it if you already own the game or have GP.

The fact you think paying for Duelsense and 3D audio justifies a fee is worrying. I don't remember paying any extra to use Dolby Atmos in games or to have the graphics improved either. I can also play Xbox games on my PC with the X1 controller and don't have to pay for the Rumble Triggers etc. You are being scammed $10 because the audience doesn't care enough. 

But hey, its your money, give them your wallet. 

Go listen to Angry Joe about the extra $10 and they all have the same logically sense that its anti consumer.

@15:44

AJ says it how it is, when asked about the PS5 features includes Haptic Feedback etc "I brought the f$#@en console for that s%#t!

Enough said.

Runa216 said:
Azzanation said:

My point is you are not forced into buying the new Xbox controller while Sony are charging you to utilize the features of their new controllers with some games.

so you're saying Microsoft should be applauded for refusing to innovate or make their new console stand out? I know you can't possibly be saying that, because that would be rather silly. The Ps5's controller is amazing, and implementing its unique features takes time and money, I don't see how it's a bad thing to add extra features with an extra cost. And like many others, Ghost of Tsushima already got loaded with tonnes of upgrades and new content and features free of charge as it is. They already made the PS4 version function a whole lot better on PS5 as it is, so it's not like you HAVE To upgrade. 

I think it's clear at this point you're just being cynical for the sake of it. I went back through the last few pages and so many of your arguments are completely out of left field or inconsistent or completely noncongruent with how business/innovation works. The fact that you genuinely tried to make it look like a BAD thing that Sony added a bunch of features and options to their new controller makes it clear you're not about actual improvements but instead just here to be contrarian or pointlessly critical. 

Talk about a twist,

I think you failed at understanding whats being said here. Nothing wrong with innovations, please tell me where i said innovations isn't a good thing? I am saying paying to access innovations that you have already brought is embarrassing. Its people like that who think its a good thing to be charged extra is why companies like EA and Ubisoft continue to nickle and dime their customers and why Sony knows they can charge an extra $10 PS5 upgrade because they know you will eat it up. That's the real issue here.

Last edited by Azzanation - on 08 July 2021