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Machiavellian on 30 June 2021
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Pemalite said:
Machiavellian said:

Come on, you are in the middle of the ocean.  Lets not act as if you have the same issue any other nation has. 

Correct. We have a natural border, but one thing I learned from my Diploma of Leadership and Emergency management is that you take an all-hazards approach to an issue, so you can apply a set of principles in one location to another.

Essentially, if you can secure your border, you can dissuade illegal immigrants from making a potential dangerous trek and putting their lives at risk. It -is- about life.

I am not sure you get it.  Trying to compare Australia to the US seems far fetched.  Your country does not even come close to the amount of traffic that goes through the US within one hour compared to one year in your country.  Saying you secured your boarder when you are in the middle of nowhere where you catch the occasional boat full of people seems unrealistic.  Just the port of entry alone between the 2 nations and scale is totally different.  Let not act as if securing Australia boarder is the same as securing any mainland country.

Machiavellian said:

51K is a drop in the bucket for the amount of traffic that come in and out of the US within one day, hell, I would say in 2 hours.

Whilst yes, 51k is a small drop in the bucket comparatively, you also need to remember Australia's base population is only 25~ million, which comparative to the USA, is also a drop in the bucket.

USA is operating on a much larger scale than we are on everything here.

But the record speaks for itself, we solved the issue.

You solving an issue that really not an issue because you are in the middle of the ocean is nothing to proclaim.  The volume just not there to make an apples to apples comparison.  Its as if you were a nation on the moon and saying we solved illegal immigration because you see a ship every 2 years.

Machiavellian said:

Also, from what I have read, Australia has a huge drug problem based on population.

Interesting that you didn't take per-capita statistics into account with the prior point...

However, USA definitely beats us in drug prevalence.

Opiates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_prevalence_of_opiates_use

Marijuana: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annual_cannabis_use_by_country

Cocaine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_prevalence_of_cocaine_use

Do we have a huge drug problem? Absolutely. But still better than the USA.

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Well of course its better than the US when you have the population the size of one state in the middle of the ocean.  At the end of the day, if you have an issue does it really matter if you are better than your neighbor.  You still have an issue.  The way you made your previous statement you basically asserted that you solved drug issues but that doesn't seem to be the case.  

Machiavellian said:

 As stated, Australia is not the US and trying to make it seem as if they are the same is an overstatement of the size in population between the two and the amount of traffic of populated cities within the 2 nations.  Its not apples to apples.

You are correct that Australia is not the USA... And I am absolutely 100% glad it is not.

Just secure your borders and save lives, because this issue has been going on for decades where we solved it a long time ago.

You should be thankful you are in the middle of nowhere.  Be happy you do not have mainland problems.  Just do not have this smug attitude as if you accomplish something because there is no challenge to your boarders.  You are basically a nation the size of one state in the US hopefully for you it remains that way.  I am happy you secured your boarders from the wayward boat that attempts to cross the sea to get to your island.


 My point is that the shit-flinging between the Democrats and Republicans needs to stop, it's getting immature at this point.

The *real* solution is likely somewhere in the middle which brings in aspects from both sides of the political divide. - The wall will absolutely help, but it is only -one- tool, not the entire solution.

Which again... Is my point. The left-wing and right-wing here eventually settled on the Pacific solution as the right solution for our issues, but it brought forth key aspects from both the left and the rights political mandates.

Plus the cost of the wall should ultimately be redundant anyway, especially at the moment.
One of the best ways to stimulate the economy is to invest in infrastructure/nation building programs, which this walls falls under. It's jobs.

Yeah, that is not going to happen until all the old heads die out and leave the political scene.  When that happens maybe we will in another 50 years have more balance parties with new faces and fresh ideals.  Instead, Americans who vote which are the old heads, continue to vote old heads in congress and we continue to have the same dumb sh*t we see today.

The wall doesn't work, it would probably be more productive to upgrade the standard of living in South America then it would be to waste billions on trying to create more walls in places where the landscape isn't ideal.  Then you have to secure all that space with people which then again cost billions of dollars.  We have had walls for decades and it basically only stop the unorganized traveler.

Last edited by Machiavellian - on 30 June 2021