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Dulfite said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

This is a stereotypical upper middle class reasoning. Upper middle class and upper classes USA citizens have higher income than Europeans or East Asians, while the lower income classes struggle because the lack of public services and welfare

I said either good or platinum insurance, and working class Americans have at least good insurance plans by and large. People working fast food jobs? No, they don't, but according to a 2020 survey I just pulled up 72% of Americans identify as part of the middle class. So only 28% are rich or poor. So yeah, when I talk about data and there is a supermajority of people in a certain class of life, that is what I'm going to talk about. More than 3/4's of Americans are doing just fine, possibly more than 4/5's of Americans, and don't need more insurance help funded by ridiculously high taxes. The poor needing more aid? Sure, let's address that, but not at the expense of the middle class like it is right now with this invisible tax on the middle class disguised as inflation.

Those first world countries you listed and have lower average income than USA also have healthy middle classes who don't need to worry with Healthcare and will be aided if they got unemployed, this will sacrifice part of their wages while they are active workers. I don't know exactly how do you expect a state (with very few sources of income other than taxes) will be able to aid the 25? 24? Percentage of USA citizens who are poor if not on the expensive of ther other 3/4. I agree though if you argue about a more progressive taxation that punishes less the lower end middle classes and more the very high end upper classes

Besides, the thread is to debate healthcare. USA prices for Healthcare are absurd, for medication too. That's because they are letting the free market define the prices. Imagine if USA government start baking the ridiculously high private healthcare prices for the 25% of their lower income population. With an average spending of 11k USD (2019 data) per person this would be a stunning 902 billion USD a year

And this is only to treat the lower end classes. Remember even middle classes can have treatments they cannot afford with their basic health insurances, so numbers will very likely go well over 1 trillion USD a year. 

I don't see how banking more private Healthcare will solve the problem, in reality if government starting to bank more private hospitals to attend poorer classes will only make the prices go up, as demand will increase and offer will not (at least not as quickly) leading to more and more people needing aid of USA state 

If private Healthcare was less expensive, then I could understand why USA citizens were willing to make state only affording rather than managing a public system as private business management are generally more efficient, but it seems like it's not the case there.