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Otter said:
Wyrdness said:

What about my other comparisons I mentioned that did better than the original?

These aren't the only examples either, the free upgrade is what you are saying is the reason for VIIR's underwhelming performance at retail yet it does not really change the point he made because the prior version performed below expectations at the time an excuse was given that it was because the rest of gen 9 was coming. So for the PS5 version to be impacted by the upgrade basically furthers his point of an underperformance as not even 100k at retail for a mainline game. 

The other examples are also bad.

TLOU had no free upgrade. The PS4 was not backwards compatible. TLOU was a much bigger success than FFVIIR on its base platform and had better legs which continued on PS4. PS4 also absorbed marketshate from Xbox and sold 35m more than PS3 which means it exposed far more people to the game.

Miitopia on Switch is a different game from the 3DS, right? It's not a 1:1 remaster

I don't understand your last paragraph 

We can bypass the free upgrade part by subtracting what those games sold on the prior version to what the new version eventually sold and in the case of the games I mentioned MK8 went on to well outperform the original to a different audience with additional sales while TLOU also did the same with the same audience so no the comparisons are fine and a free upgrade still doesn't debunk his point as new audiences or not those games still reached new people VIIR looks set to not.

PS4 sold more than PS3 much later on, before it got to that point the PS4 version of TLOU had already passed the PS3 version. FFVIIR not having legs that continues on is part of the point the whole project in the region has hugely underperformed even when you account for the free upgrades.

Miitopia is the same game the Switch version only adds new options at the Mii creation.