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SvennoJ on 17 May 2021
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LurkerJ said:
EnricoPallazzo said:

Exactly. Stop the violence and they keep losing land. Keep the violence and they lose land. There is nothing they can do, Israel is too powerful and rich. So the only exit I see is surrender and keep what you have, despite all humiliation. But to be honest I think Israel wouldnt even allow a palestine state anymore. This ship has sailed. Too many settlements in west bank, they will never leave.

But what happens once Muslims living in democratic countries become large enough they start to influence foreign policies? That is going to happen after all, may be not soon, but not late either. While Palestinian have been betrayed by everyone, Muslims as whole will never let this go, and once they get to power or become a large enough majority that politicians in the west start pandering to them to get their votes? Anyone's guess what that future is going to look like. 

Looking at the strongest European countries; Germany's Muslim population stands at 7%, France at 8% and this only continues to rise rapidly. Accordingly, a solution in which Israel gives major concessions to Palestinians is better for everyone especially Israel... or maybe nothing Israel will do is gonna matter in the eyes of a futuristic Islamic west.

Pemalite said:

Will we have wars? Of course. We have stupid wars all the time.
Australia had a war against Emu's (A flightless bird) and lost.

But would we have "bullshit" excuses like "The Bible said this land is ours, so it's ours?" - Absolutely not.

The issue with Religion is that it completely shuts people off and makes them believe they are right using a faith-based (I.E. Blind belief) system that they do not question.
At-least with religion obliterated people won't be able to hide behind it or use religion to justify their actions, thus they will be able to be scrutinized far more heavily.

A world without religions is not going to be a peaceful world, but it's going to be a much more peaceful one than that's riddled with religions. If I start tweeting Abrahamic religions teachings on twitter without the religion umbrella, I'd get banned, rightfully so because I would be enticing hatred and violence against majorities and minorities alike. Tweet similar tweet using direct quotes from the Bible and Quran... and you get a pass? stupid.

North Korea has outlawed religion, just saying. I guess you can call it a peaceful society, strict order.

Germany is among the least religious countries and sprouted nazism.

The Netherlands where I was born invented apartheid and slavery, not out of religion, out of greed.

See what @padib said, then read this again "But what happens once Muslims living in democratic countries become large enough they start to influence foreign policies? That is going to happen after all, may be not soon, but not late either. " That's the start.