Non-Americans Stunned By American Health Care Costs

[Mr Puggsly]

Eagle367 said:

Mr Puggsly said:

Healthcare can be profitable without being so expensive. I mean its why a procedure can vary wildly simply depending where you go. Insurance is also a big reason healthcare costs can be so high, they will charge thousands to your insurance for a simple procedure. I think the entire country at the very least agrees healthcare should be more affordable, but we don't even move in that direction.

You know literally nothing about libertarianism. I am not an anarchist. Also, never believe anything Cuba wants you to believe.

You are needlessly defending socialized healthcare. I am not attacking socialized healthcare. However, its not a perfect system given many people still opt for private healthcare in many countries even when the social option is available. At least if they can afford the better healthcare option.

Oh wow, propaganda against Cuba. Shows you really are an American. Also, there should be no profit motive when it comes to human rights and healthcare is a human right. You shouldn't even be asking "Can I make a profit off of healthcare?" Because even asking that question leads you down the wrong path. And it's not "the better option" it's just rich people who don't care how much money they can throw at a problem to get special treatment. Sorry but government itself isn't bad, taxation on it's own isn't bad either,

Also you are saying the people in power support universal healthcare when that is a lie. Biden said he would veto it, Harris pretended to support it by backed down and a lot of Democrats don't support it and many of them get donations from health insurance companies. Bernie Sanders isn't in power mate, so your initial assumption is wrong to begin with. But any healthcare system where the primary motive is profit will fail. It will make profits for sure, but it'll fail at actual healthcare. The people in power don't want universal healthcare and want to keep making profits for the healthcare industry. That's the issue. The issue is the oligarchy, not the government. The government serving the oligarchy is certainly an issue but the root cause of that is a system that treats wealthy people like the aristocrats of old and thinks having money means your opinion is more valid. 

The issue is listening to idiots like Bill Gates, Elon Musk, etc instead of actual experts. For example bill Gates ruined the vaccine distribution of the world by throwing his force behind the pharmaceutical companies and protecting their patents. Stuff like that is the issue. I guarantee you once US gets universal healthcare, the people will never wanna go back. 

Haha, its incredibly naive to believe anything Cuba says. But okay.

I'm glad we agree, "healthcare is a human right" really just means socialism. I made that point in a previous post.

Eating food and drinking water could be seen as a human rights as well, I might even agree. I am also okay with it being very profitable for some to be in the business of providing food and water. Hence, I fail to see why something like healthcare can't be profitable. Again, even the countries with socialized healthcare tend to have private options.

Education is seen as a human right. But if people want to pay for the less shitty government option we have, that's fine with me. I'm glad they have the for profit option.

I'm somewhere in the middle about healthcare in this country. I would prefer we just move towards making it more affordable and socializing aspects that can bankrupt people. But the state we are currently at leaves me not surprised people just want it free.