| yo33331 said: So .. about the sizes of the chips, I know them, I've read them, and yes the Kronos are even refined Jaspers, which there isn't much information on the web I don't know why .. maybe because it came very late to the FAT 360's life and was very close to the announcing of the slims models. Kronoses are actually the best, and mine is Kronos. Still lives to this day it's more than 10 years now and I have player numerous hours on it, and played actively through that 10 years almost every day. As far as overhauls and new designs and innovation in the structure goes, I am not denying this, it's normal, they are building new revisions, they will put new components inside, and on paper better cooling and new ways for the system to be working better. At least on paper .. And in practice the S and the E are really working better than any other 360 revision, only without the Jasper. I am not denying the lower power consumption or the new ways for cooling or the new components inside. Certainly when designing the new revisions Microsoft have a target to do them the close to perfection as they can. No one is denying that. Anyone who does something wants to make it the best. However the facts are that anywhere on the web (reddit, youtube, even ebay if you want) there are many many brokens OG FAT consoles. Why ? Because this is the reality, the OG FAT consoles were red ringing left and right. Then there are also some units here and there on the S and the E models that are shown as overheated (RDOD). Yes for sure there is some fake cases maybe, but they can't all be faked. There will be some real. And it's not only youtube videos, it's posts on reddit, I've read many. It's on ebay as well, there are many listings of E and S models that have overheated. Again, probably some of them will be maybe the error of the user, and the console will work, there are many peoples that don't have enough knowledge to say if one console is broken or not. But there will be also some of the listings that will be really overheated consoles. No way every one of them to be faked or working. And what about the Jaspers ? well as I already said I can't find neither listing nor videos or reddit posts with real jasper unit failing because of overheating or real red ring of death, call it what you want. So yes, on theory you are right, I am not denying the better components or the better cooling maybe, however there is something in the S and the E consoles obviously that is causing some % of the consoles to overheat. |
I have provided the evidence that the S and E models cannot overheat as they share the same feature as the Xbox One/Xbox Series X/Playstation 4/Playstation 5.
That is thermal shutdown.
You "not finding failed jaspers" is anecdotal and not evidence for anything.
Just like myself who owned several Jaspers that actually failed.
| yo33331 said: And we are talking here strictly for the XBOX 360 console. I don't have doubts about the perfect engineering work Microsoft did with the xbox one and the xbox series consoles. However there is one point where you've reached enough of a good engineered console that is enough for it to last for many many years, without braking. And this they accomplished with the Jasper and the Kronos motherboards. And they did even better job with the xbox one and the xbox Series consoles however you can't tell the difference from customer stand point about the reliability of the console because all of these consoles (the jasper 360 and xbox one and xbox series) can live without a problem for 10 or 15 years. Yes there is units of the Slims and the E that surely also can live 10 or 15 years, however there is also some of them that are overheating in some point of their live, and those are not present on the Jasper motherboard, this is what I am trying to tell. |
Yes. We are talking strictly about the Xbox 360 console.
However Microsoft took some learned lessons during the Xbox 360's life that still influences the latest and greatest consoles today.
The Xbox One and Xbox Series X is not "perfect engineering". - Such a thing doesn't exist.
I am going to refer you back to this due to your continued claim of the Xbox 360 S/E overheating:
https://www.engadget.com/2010-06-21-new-xbox-360-has-red-dot-of-death-instead-not-quite.html
| yo33331 said: The percentage of failed overheating Jasper is 0 or closer to 0 than it is about the slims and the E models. Since I am not god to know every single unit on the world if there is some overheated or not, (at least I can't find one) I can't tell it's 0 but whatever number is it is less number than the S and E, from what I've seen on the web - some amount of overheated S and E consoles, and not a single confirmed one Jasper. |
Prove that the Jaspers failure rate from overheating is 0 or "closer to 0".
You made a claim, you need to back it up.
| yo33331 said: About your case with the overheated Jasper you mentioned, you are the first person I hear with RROD Jasper, and not only once but 3 times .. I don't know. I can tell you the opposite case, I have 360 FAT Kronos for more than 10 years now that I have been actively using almost every day for the past 11 years (I've stopped using it before 3-4 months because I played every single game I wanted on it and I have no more what to play on it). And also I have 2 friends both with slim consoles, both overheated. The one overheated sometime in 2015 or 2016 I think and the other died two years ago. It was red doth of death, I went there and check the codes and there were problems with the main chips, it was not something like bad disc drive or hard drive. It was problem that needed reflow. |
You are missing the point. The point I am trying to convey is that we cannot work from anecdotal evidence as it doesn't take the bigger picture into account or individual circumstances.
The fact that my Jasper consoles failed is entirely redundant...
For example I live in the driest state on the driest inhabited continent on Earth with summer Temperatures that will exceed 50'C/122'F in the shade. (Hot enough to melt roads.) - This isn't a good operating environment for most electronics, but Anecdotal evidence doesn't have the sample size to filter that out.
Again, I presented anecdotal evidence to refute your anecdotal evidence because I want you to find empirical evidence to backup your claims... But considering that has failed. Well. Is what it is.
| yo33331 said: As far as the specialist on the youtube go, yes I agree with you, however I just put it as an example. My opinion is not made because of him or because of someone else. I've made my opinion based on much search on the web, on reddit, youtube, ebay, and also on different discussions with people, friends and co workers and cases from my situations with the console. |
I don't care about opinions, I care about facts.
| yo33331 said: Good for your qualifications, you know many things, for sure, however in practise if you can't prove it, you are doing nothing. |
I have provided evidence prior.
| yo33331 said: So good for them they put the thermal protection or new stuff inside, however when the percentage failure rate is bigger than their older revision, they haven't done perfect job. And yes normally the newer thing are better. Most of the cases. However not all of them. This is one of those cases that the older revision remains the best. |
Prove it.
| yo33331 said: So whatever you tell me or write to me about this or anyone else do, you can't change my mind because I 've made my research on the web for this exact thing and I've found a decent amount of overheated red dot of death consoles S and E models and no cases for the Jaspers. And to this day I still continue to see new posts about dead S and E 360s sometimes when I am making my daily reddit routine. Also I have friends with Jasper, but in full functional order. And I have two that had the slim console and it died on both of them. So this is yet another point in my position about this. |
This is known as a confirmation bias which is a logical fallacy.
The fact you refuse to change your mind when new information or evidence is presented is actually not a good thing.
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