yo33331 said:
The Jaspers are better than all of the S and all of the E consoles when it comes to reliability. The S and the E are better than every other Fat yes, and they can work continuously for some years, which is very good, however they can't outlive a Jasper console. |
Nope.
Xenon (90nm CPU and 90nm GPU) > Repaired Xenons used OPUS. (65nm CPU, 90nm GPU and 80nm eDRAM.)
Zephyr (80nm GPU, 90nm CPU, 90nm eDRAM)
Falcon (65nm CPU, 80nm GPU, 80nm eDRAM)
Jasper. (65nm CPU, 65nm GPU, 80nm eDRAM)
Jasper is clearly a step up from Falcon and a massive overhaul from Xenon, no doubt... Power supply even went from 203w to 150w or a decrease of 26%.
The Jasper revision eventually got a few updates on top of it's revision known as Kronos, which had a smaller board, new RF module and dropped copper heatpipes, revised fan shroud for better airflow, ram heatsinks and more.
But it doesn't stop there.
The biggest overhaul was actually with Trinity/Valhalla in the Xbox 360 S
It rolled the CPU, GPU and eDRAM into a single chip... But also shrunk them down to 45nm.. Power delivery was also reduced to 133w, another step down from Jaspers 150w.
Real world power consumption is of course different than rated power of a PSU. (As you need to take into account cap aging and degrading efficiency of PSU's over time.)
Anandtech however measured it's power consumption...
And the results are:
At Idle:
Jasper - 93.7w
Trinity/Valhalla - 70.4%
That is a reduction of 24%.
Gears of War 2/Gaming:
Jasper - 105.9w
Trinity/Valhalla - 88w.
That is a reduction of 16.9%.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/3774/welcome-to-valhalla-inside-the-new-250gb-xbox-360-slim
Trinity consolidates allot of the chips and components, so there is simply far less to fail.
| yo33331 said: It doesn't matter how big they were .. well it does matter but only to some extent. The E and the S models were smaller than the FAT there fore they were having less space inside for cooling, and also they were having 1 chip combined for the GPU and the CPU and only 1 cooler for both.. while the Jaspers had much more space inside and were having two separate chips with each having it's own cooling. |
As for space and cooling... You need to keep in mind this is going to become a physics problem very quickly if you go down this rabbit hole.
In short... It doesn't matter how large or small your case is if you simply are not removing the heat, thermodynamics literally comes into play here... Convection, Conduction or Radiation are the three main elements to dealing with thermals... You will remove heat better in a smaller case with better guided airflows over heat generating components (Xbox 360 S) than a larger case that is spinning air around at random (Xbox 360 Fat sans-heatpipe).
I am the owner of an Xbox One X and an Xbox One... The Xbox One and One X are only a good 20w of power difference... But anyone who has compared the size of the Xbox One and Xbox One X knows that the Xbox One X is a comparatively tiny machine. - But also runs cool and silent.
How? More efficient REMOVAL of heat from the components and case thanks to the vapor chamber and guided air flows.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-microsoft-xbox-one-x-review_1
I also own an Xbox Series X and that takes the same design philosophy to cooling... With dense components, but better guided airflows.
As for 1 cooler vs 2 cooler due to 1 chip vs 2 chips. - 1 chip is absolutely superior, because that is one less heat source you need to deal with and provide power delivery (Thus requiring beefier mosfets etc')... Which is why every Xbox console since the Xbox 360 S has had a single chip.
Xbox One, Xbox One S, Xbox One X, Xbox Series S, Xbox Series X, Playstation 4, Playstation 5, Nintendo Switch, Nintendo WiiU... All single chip designs.
| yo33331 said: And this is not only my word for this. Check out one youtuber who is also a technician and many consoles have been through his hands https://www.youtube.com/c/MrMario2011/ He is saying the same, has fixed many S and E consoles of overheating, and has never seen even one Jasper with RROD. And you can watch some of his videos where he talks about xbox 360 and it's revisions and what is more reliable and what not here: https://youtu.be/mQbAVLGHy_c?t=261 |
Youtube is not an empirical source of information.
There are literally "experts" with various degrees on Youtube who assert that the world is flat.
Whatever argument you hold, can be found and supported on youtube.
We don't take a -insert scientist here- word at face value, we put his assertions through the scientific method to determine if his findings are repeatable and thus true, in short everything gets judged on it's individual merits and subjected to vigorous testing rather than blindly believe because they might have a degree.
Also something to note is you don't know what qualifications/degrees I hold, which may be superior to that engineers on this very topic.
Azzanation said:
Never have i seen a S or E model RROD. The 360 Slim and E don't even have the Red Ring Lights anymore, they were changed to operate differently. The failure rates would be due to other completely different issues. Keep in mind that all console manufacturers have failure rates. I also wouldn't believe anything on Youtube about RROD consoles, heck there were attention seeking videos of the XB1 overheating which were debunked as false as well as the Series X blowing smoke out the top which turned out to be people blowing vap smoke through the system just to worry consumers. Also the first thing i Googled, (The slim can still have hardware failures, but they no longer give a RROD, it's a dot now.) The original (RROD) was completely resolved with the S and E. The S systems had other less common issues. The RDOT is a completely different overheating issue that was extremely less common. Example: Placing a 360 Slim in a cabinet with little air flow can trigger a Red Dot lights (RDOT). |
https://www.destructoid.com/stories/xbox-360-slims-shut-down-to-prevent-red-ring-of-death-177121.phtml
| yo33331 said: The jasper does not. If you read my other post you can see on youtube one technician that have repaired many consoles through the years and he has never seen to this day overheated Jasper console. But he had some cases with the S and the E consoles overheated, that were given to him for repair. So all in all if we rate them, the S and the E are definitely good models and also reliable, just not the best. The best from reliability standpoint are the Jaspers (the last FAT consoles) |
Eventually ditched it and got the Slim and been happy ever since.
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