| RolStoppable said: Now that's just unfair towards Nautilus. For one, it's not women as a whole who are trash, but rather the female equivalent of incels. And two, it's not exclusively women who hold those intolerant views. I suspect that among the many males who are agreeing with these women, there's a part who really means what they say while others pursue a beta male strategy of trying to impress women with how understanding they are. |
I think me and Nautilus have achieved some clarification at this point and I'm working on patching things up a bit with him if I can.
Anyway, I don't consider objecting to sexual harassment or wishing to be permitted to discuss the subject as something analogous to "inceldom", which is practically a form of misogynistic terrorism often in practice. No one is proposing the murder of Tyler Malka that I'm aware of. They've simply objected to his actions.
As to the motivations of "feminist men", yeah I agree. I mean I don't know just every detail of this situation from 2017 because I wasn't actually there for it myself, but I mean just experientially, being involved in the women's movement, I find that there are definitely male allies, so-called, who's motivations aren't that different from those of most men's rights activists; an obsessive craving of (particularly sexual) female attention that might very well be just as controlling and rapacious in practice. They just have different strategy for achieving the same result, like sucking up and proclaiming one's self a feminist in order to then assert the right to define what women's interests are for them in convenient and self-serving ways. This phenom is known in the movement as a guy being a "white knight", which is a way of saying that he's a sexual opportunist. Tyler Malka is actually a perfect example of this. Up to that point in 2017, he would publicly champion women's rights and interest, like speaking out against Gamergate and in defense of their victims (example). In reality though, this posture as a "male feminist" turned out to be a cover for his private life. And the attitudes that informed his private life in turn he would use to define the concept of feminism for the women on NeoGAF, like by banning users for claiming that Hugh Hefner of Playboy wasn't a a feminist icon. It was a great racket.
These are the sorts of reasons why I tend to object when men proclaim themselves feminists. It's not that there aren't any, but that women alone should be allowed to define our own interests for ourselves. Men who want to be allies of the women's movement should focus on earning the label 'feminst' rather than just asserting it by proclamation. And so-called "sex-positive" feminism is a brand I'm always especially suspicious of for reasons like this.
Last edited by Jaicee - on 13 February 2021
