| SvennoJ said:
Vietnam is doing really well for its size, only 1500 cases and 35 deaths on a population of 96 million. |
| JRPGfan said: So much this. |
| chakkra said: 100% agree I wish for people who have lost someone due to COVID to start suing all of those journalists and politics that have made a point of spreading misinformation. I'm sure they will be more careful about the sh*t they say on TV/Social media when people start holding them accountable for their actions. |
| haxxiy said: Dude, chill out. I think you're way too emotionally invested in this. It's a respiratory tract disease, not the fucking black plague. Yeah, countries who are either islands or authoritarian and absurdly non-transparent about their data have fewer infections, who on Earth could have predicted that? Truly mindblowing that it's exactly these who happen to have that mythical "social cohesion" you speak of... Note, every sociologist would agree and point out that non-democratic countries have greater degrees of social unrest and civil disobedience. Google 'mass incidents': that's the euphemism China uses for them, for instance. So, no need to toss civil liberties out of the window. Incredible that we have to argue that no, use of force is not the way, but here we are. Also this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1510_influenza_pandemic I thought they were supposed to have "figured things out" at the beginning of the modern age according to you, no? Guess it's not as easy as it seems, then. |
| Mnementh said: I was always impressed by Vietnams success in fighting this natural disaster. The country is poorer and more densely populated than most european countries. As a neighbor with close economic bonds to China it was affected early on. Yet Vietnam was able to get through it mostly unscathed. And I think early and consistent messaging is one of the key areas here. You want to secure cooperation of the population, and while you can fine people breaking the rules, it is much more effective to start guifing them early on with clear and consistent messages. For instance, this song was from February subtitled in many languages (at a time here in europe everyone painted it as an asian problem and the governmental messaging was that our health system is great and nobody needs to worry): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtulL3oArQw&ab_channel=MINOFFICIAL international variant in english: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGoodWEtV8c That already takes the fight against the epidemic as a serious issue that everyone is involved in and communicates the main methods: hand washing, not touching the face, avoiding crowds, and the video shows consistent mask usage. People are fast to point out that Vietnam is a totalitarian state, and sure enforcing their methods with police and military was a factor. But having songs like these in February officially circulated is far from totalitarian and would have changed already a lot for other countries. |
| LurkerJ said: I don't know if I care that much about the total number of infected people to be honest. Almost everyone I know who got infected almost did it to themselves deliberately, by taking masks lightly and going on lunch breaks or socializing without masks. I have managed to avoid it by wearing the simplest of masks so far, despite the heavy daily exposure. It does seem like carelessness affects the careless the most, and had minimal effect on me. Early on we had contradicting evience and short supplies of masks, it's not the case anymore and in the majority of cases seem self-inflicted. |
Regardless of your opinions, I will tell you all about Vietnam's methods:
- We all knew Wuhan got lockdown in January 2020 or even sooner, and WHO told everyone there was nothing to worry about. However, we had two question during that time:
1.If not dangerous, why the lockdown?
2.If not dangerous, why the death kept increasing into thousands (>3000)?
- With just 2 questions, we decided to take it seriously and prepared everything necessary to fight back.
Preperation and fight back:
1.Our goverment kept mentioning everyone about a mysterious virus (Covid 19 now) which caused many deaths in China and warning anyone who tried to come to China.
2.Tested every people who came from China (or every foreign country now) and quarantined them for at least 14 days.
3.The goverment was very transparent about this, the citizen trusted the leader and obeyed the law. Anyone who tried to break the law would get quarantined in jail and receive punishment later.
4.In Vietnam, everyone's health and safety >>> the selfish freedom of some people.
5.Kept propagandizing about the harm of Covid on TV, message, internet, radio... to everyone in Vietnam.
6.SARS, H5N1, H1N1, H3N1... All of these made us taking everything that could be a threat very cautious.
7.If one person got covid, we locked down the whole town for at least 14 days and tested everyone who was in it. Always wore mask when we left home.
Of course, some stupid guys tried to pass our border without doing any test and quarantine, hence 35 deaths happened because of those trashes. But basically, we are putting it in control for now. Not sure about other nations though.
Last edited by HoangNhatAnh - on 13 January 2021
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