sales2099 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
Lag will always be an issue, unless you have a server farm every so many miles. Nintendo handheld games were designed with a small screen in mind. 8 and 16 bit is perfectly acceptable on a small screen. DS and 3DS had two screens to allow for better placing of UI elements, which kept small screens from getting crowded. Things like small screens or 480p can be perfectly acceptable in the past, and not acceptable now. If a modern console tried displaying only at 480p most people would laugh at it. Yet during the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox era 480p was fine. Likewise small screens for portable games were fine in the past. If anybody tried that today they'd be rightfully laughed at. Standards change as tech improves.
My point is they refused to simply admit that, and instead ran a disingenuous "Pro-Consumer" marketing campaign, after trying to force always online nonsense on gamers. Nintendo is honest. Sony isn't entirely honest, but hasn't had a reason to be deceptive for over a decade. MS on the other hand has gone full on sophist mode. They don't care about the truth. They just care about "winning" the narrative or argument at the time.
I coverd Sony buying studios in my response to LudicrousSpeed.
Thanks.
P.S. I own a $2000 PC, and it will be what I play a lot of 3rd party AAA games on this gen. So it's kinda hard for me to personally be salty. I just wish MS would be honest for a change. |
While I wouldn’t choose mobile streaming over couch gaming, I just wouldn’t dismiss mobile streaming for the future, as well as certain markets where gaming on mobile is prevalent over consoles. And again it’s a cheap option to buying a Xbox. Your main issue seems to be their PR department over anything else. And in the grand scheme this is peanuts to nitpick. |
Streaming games will never be a big thing. This forum already had that argument ten times over with Google Stadia. You need actual hardware to run the games off of. This is why Series S + Gamepass is such a good idea. If you go back to some old Stadia threads you can see me talking all about it there, defending MS and Gamepass, against pro-stadia people.
Console gaming and mobile gaming are two different markets. You can't put console games on mobile and expect mobile gamers to pay for it. You can't put console games on mobile and expect console gamers to pay for it either. The people playing candy crush or cut the rope or whatever dumb crap is on mobile aren't interested in console games. And console game players aren't interested in playing on mobile with inferior controls, input lag, and a tiny screen.
The only way steaming to mobile will work is if MS lowers the standards of their games so much that their franchises resemble whale hunting mobile games more than traditional console games. But if that happens I and many other people will lose all interest in their franchises. And while I think MS is a bad company, I don't think they are batshit insane enough to stoop that low.
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eva01beserk said:
sales2099 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
sales2099 said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
sales2099 said:
If someone only plans on owning a single non-nintendo console, and hasn't bought a next gen non-nintendo console yet, then they are up for grabs from either Sony or MS. If Sony grabs them first, then MS just lost a customer and vice versa. You can't look at last gen and assume that everyone is going to stick to the same brand they had. Sure, most will, but there's enough swing consumers that will go either direction at the start of a new gen. A new generation is supposed to be a total reset anyway. Right? |
It is a reset, though the odds are stacked against Xbox. I won’t re open the Bethesda debate, just that they did say the reason they can’t outright brag is because the deal won’t go through until next year. Seems to be a legal issue to being vague is all they can do. Once the deal goes through officially they better get more clear fast is all I’ll say. It would go a ways if people knew definitively. And technically Xbox games aren’t exclusive. It’s Xbox One, Series S/X, Windows Store, Steam, Game Pass, and Android mobile devices. PS not having future games is still insanely pro consumer based on the variety and low barrier options. |
So MS expects people that don't have a PC or Xbox to play their poached studios' games on their phone? Yeah, that'll go down well.
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It’s an option, that’s kinda the whole thing with Xbox. I can see Xcloud breaking out in Asia if marketed properly. But it is also used to supplement console and PC gaming. But hey, if you got a really loyal PS only gamer, your options are to stay salty, buy a Xbox or play the game on their current phone by subbing to Xcloud Game Pass. |
Playing on a phone with input lag, and a screen smaller than a Switch is so inferior of a gaming option that you shouldn't even bother with it. If MS seriously thinks this is a realistic option then they've lost their minds. If they are going to keep their poached games off PS5, then they should just admit that their "Pro-Consumer" stance was all a bunch of spin to cover up the fact that they needed to expand their market outside of console gaming to survive. |
The lag has been improving steadily, and shouldn’t be a problem with a strong home wifi signal. The small screen is funny considering many Nintendo handhelds had screens smaller then modern smartphones...I wonder if you complained their screens were small back in the day. I think we all know they had to expand beyond consoles to survive, but what’s your point? Seems salty that Xbox expanding its reach where Sony stuck in the old ways. Also your use of poached is a little salty. They were 3rd party. Now they are 1st. Sony buys studios too ya know...but in their case I bet you’d think they were “uplifted” in a warm embrace :p |
Runing a little fast and loose with the salty remarks. As far as I remember that is a moderation worthy insult. Somehow seems fine for you to spam it. |
Imo calling Bethesda a “poached” developer warranted my response. Like the acquisition was without honour or something. It was done with mutual agreement with a premium that is unheard of in this industry. But sure that dastardly MS “poached” poor and innocent Bethesda.
So that’s where I’m coming from and I hope the mods see that too. |
As a 3rd party dev, Bethesda existed in the wild. Any gamer that wanted to play a Bethesda game could play it on their platform of choice, with the exception of Nintendo. But even then there are a few Bethesda games on Switch. Now, if MS goes through with Bethesda exclusivity they will have removed all those Bethesda games from the wild, making them PC/Xbox only. I'm sure Bethesda is more than happy to be purchased, but that's beside the point. If MS does indeed plan on buying up even more studios simply to spitefully keep them off PS5, then they are insanely hypocritical, and damaging to gaming as a whole. MS can do whatever they want with their own home grown content. If you made a game you have every right to sell it however you want. But trying to moneyhat 3rd party games off of PS5, simply because you want to monopolize the gaming industry is a scumbag move. Anyway, call it whatever you want. Poaching, Scalping, Extreme Moneyhatting. Either way it goes against their previous PR spin nonsense that "Exclusives are evil. Sony is evil for making better games than us, and then not selling those games on our platforms!!!"
