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DonFerrari said:
Jaicee said:

If this is so, why aren't there any demonstrations against, you know, the mere assassination?

You have to understand how ridiculous this situation looks over here. America, for example, is a 75% Christian country demographically wherein Jesus Christ is parodied on TV programs like South Park all the time and nobody dies as a result. Now there are many conservative Christians who are offended by such things and who in the past have been known to protest and even try to have programs like South Park censored or taken off the air altogether, but those people didn't represent the prevailing opinion of the nation and nobody died.

Likewise, people "slander" me every day on the internet. Do I behead them in response? Well I feel like it sometimes momentarily, but no, I choose not to act on that impulse because that would be retarded. But maybe there's too much commentary on religion itself implied here in this statement.

I guess what I'm trying to get at here is that I don't really understand this level of upset over the idea of being criticized. I understand finding the criticism of one's faith unpleasant, but generally in the Western world you'll find that people (who aren't the current president of the United States) get over being criticized because it's not actually the end of the world. It's not like people in Muslim-majority countries generally grant people the right to freedom of religious belief or respect other people's faiths at all -- I mean most of the world's remaining theocracies are Islamic ones if I'm not mistaken -- so there just seems to be a massive amount of hypocrisy going on in such people marching against the mere criticism of Islam to the neglect of the context in which said criticism took place, claiming that their freedom of religion has been violated by words; by other people's freedom of speech. No Muslim's right to belief and to worship has been hindered here. Someone has died though. In fact, many people have died at this point.

Will just disagree on the president. For the power he holds and the amount of mockery he receives I don't see he taking any absurd measures. While other groups try to make every comment against them a form of prejudice and hatred to make people go to jail or lose job because of what they said.

Oh I see. So you've never heard of the infamous "LOCK..HER..UP! LOCK..HER..UP!" chant that everyone else on Earth remembers as a defining feature of his first election campaign, you're saying? Likewise, you don't recall Mr. Trump recently calling on Congress to arrest and imprison his rival in this election, Joe Biden, as well as Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and pretty much all other prominent Democrats in existence for good measure? You don't remember him sending in the army to quell protests even after the cities in question asked him not to? You don't remember him threatening to delay this year's presidential election because he might lose (er I mean 'corrupt mail-in ballots', sorry)? You don't recall his endorsement of the Proud Boys (a right wing street gang that requires its members to physically attack leftists) last month? Or his repeated attempts to impose new legal restrictions on the ability of the press ("the enemy of the people", in his words) to criticize him? Or his decision to do nothing in response to the cold-blooded murder of a Washington Post journalist because the Washington Post had been critical of him? Or his attempt to ban TikTok because some kids used it to prank him this summer? Or the tax hikes on "blue states" contained in the 2017 "tax cut" bill because those people voted against him? Or his systematic withholding of personal protective equipment from "blue states" because they voted against him (i.e. 'you didn't vote for me, so you can die from the virus')? All of that slipping your mind? That's just for starters! I could go on with this list forever if you want, but the point is that the man obviously can't handle dissent. We are only lucky that he hasn't gotten his way much of the time because if he did...*shudders*...I don't even want to think about what kind of country we'd be right now. We'd be like his favorite country, Russia.

Donald Trump is NOT a good poster boy for free speech, or for freedom of anything in general. I really only threw in a passing mention of him because the reality is that without the Islamic State, he wouldn't be president. The kind of actions and attitudes we're talking about on this thread are much of the reason he was able to become a viable candidate. People across the Western world legitimately feared for their lives after seeing what happened to France and Sweden in 2015. That was very real. I felt it. I was scared too. That's what terrorism is. It's the whole point. Without it, there's no way Donald Trump would be my president right now. This is how people like Trump and Modi and the rest go from being demagogues to becoming heads of state.

Last edited by Jaicee - on 07 November 2020