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SvennoJ on 30 October 2020
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JRPGfan said:
SvennoJ said:
The numbers coming out of Europe atm are pretty scary, 282K new cases yesterday and averaging 2500 deaths daily.
Italy is getting hit hard again as well, did they not learn from the first wave :(
Now the USA is starting to build a second wave as well. At least India and Brazil are still declining but for how long.

The advice here atm is
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/canadians-need-to-cut-contacts-by-25-per-cent-to-curb-second-covid-19-wave-modelling-1.5167784
Basically leaving it up to the people to 'fix' it. That hasn't worked so far :/

If your just going by " worldometers.info/coronavirus/ " and europe tab, remember the population of all those countries is like ~750m.
(twice that of the USA easily, even if supposedly the US has more people tested possitive for corona).

Another thing is US counts deaths due to corona differntly than many european countries.
Esp, after it was handed over to the whitehouse under trump to collect data (taken out of the hands of the CDC).
In europe alot of countries count any death they find that has tested positive for corona as "death due to it".
While in the US you basically go out of your way to blame it on other things (he died with corona, but it was just a heart attack).

At this point, total infected and deaths due to it, cant even be compaired from country to country due to how differntly each one goes about it.

Next year, countries that collect data on deaths, will be able to look at excess deaths in these time periodes, and come to some sort of idea of the actual extent, this thing had.

case in point:
USA has excess mortality of 300,000 in 2020 (so far) (while its only counted 234,000 deaths to corona)

(source: https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/20/cdc-data-excess-deaths-covid-19/)

Yep, I know. I was more comparing it to the first wave in Europe which topped at 54K new cases in a single day (April 4th), now already 5 times that. Of course there is a lot more testing now and the highest recorded single day death toll (4722 on April 2nd) hasn't been reached yet. However with 2500 deaths yesterday and the day before and a current growth of 1.38x per week (and accelerating), it will only be 2 weeks to surpass that. At this point that might happen even if Europe goes into full lock down right now. Deaths lag about 2 weeks behind.

Some countries also started counting less deaths by Corona btw. Spain made major adjustments for example, Russia does its own thing. There were still plenty excess deaths in many European countries as well. And yep the USA data is flawed and a hot political issue.

Perhaps we'll never know the exact amounts since excess deaths don't tell all anymore since all the measures also prevent flu deaths (great!) and less travel and work related incidents. Suicide deaths are probably up but not by that much to even it out.

Anyway, Europe let it get too far again :/