Your lifetime sales expectations for PlayStation 5?

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RolStoppable said:

eva01beserk said:

130-140m

I expect the ps5 to be up a bit more than the ps4. and the xbox to be a bit down from the x1.

@RolStoppable . From your own analisis I cant realy see how you would think the xbox will increase. By the time the exclusives show up sony would already have quite a few notable big titles while still releasing their regular output. So its gona be an uphill battle to change the narrative of the lack of exclusives. At most it could go from xbox has no games, to xbox has less games. Still up in the air if they will be any good. This will give sony some very good starting momentum. If competition on the games front dosent start for MS untill 2022 or later, How big of a gap could sony have by then? Would it be to big that the snowball of "friends buying cuz friends have it" be stoped?

Also budget frindly is not something that will resonate well with the hardcore gamers, wich are the first to start the snowball effect. Thats more of a reason to buy a console for someone else like a kid or something. As you have said, gamers are older so these consoles are already budget options for adults. Its something that will impact later on on the consoles life cycle. and lets also not forget that ps5D is also the best budget option for a full 9th gen console wich is still $100 cheaper than the competition.

So yea I expect more competition from xbox, but not untill 2022. And by then we wont know if the gap from the massive head start sony got will be to much.

EDIT: Bonus. I see VR as only going up. They said that the old vr will still be compatible so the istall base wont start from zero. Depending on the price of the new one it could be big enough for real games to show up for it.

My post in this thread was PS5-focused. What the XSX|S has going for it was covered in the previous thread.

In short, XSX is the more powerful console, so it will have the better multiplatform games and the inevitable Digital Foundry comparisons are going to confirm this, unless third parties collectively mess it up. This is for the same price as the PS5. Important, because the list of priority for console purchase looks like this:

1. Price
2. Performance of multiplatform games
3. Regional preference/bias
4. Exclusives

"Friends buy because friends have it" first and foremost applies to online multiplayer. Despite cross-platform multiplayer, a bunch of important games will likely still remain locked to their specific platform, so this will continue to matter. The XSX is in a good position to become the console of choice for multiplatform games, hence why Microsoft can be expected to do better this time around; last generation the PS4 had established itself as the clear favorite about half a year before launch, because it was more powerful and cheaper. It's not as obvious this time around because both consoles cost the same and Sony has done a good job in putting their SSD in conversations.

If Microsoft had been able to compile a first party lineup at least somewhat comparable to Sony's right out of the gate, then I'd have given Xbox a lifetime sales estimate of about 10m more and Sony in turn about 10m less, so ~75m vs. ~95m. But Sony is clearly better positioned early on, so that can and will convince people to buy a PS5 despite the weaker performance of multiplat games.

The best budget option is Xbox All Access for the XSX: No big upfront payment and a ton of games to play. This program is limited to only about a dozen of countries though, so it's not a ticket for higher global success. Still, much better than nothing, because it will allow Microsoft to be more competitive in at least parts of the world.

Multiplats will remain the best-selling games on both the PS5 and XSX|S, so they are more important than exclusives. That's why Microsoft is going to make gains in their console sales despite their first party being behind schedule.

Did I reply in the wrong thread? My bad. But they are almost inseparable so its an easy mistake. Even now im thinking that its gona be hard to respond without making it about xbox.

OK but you think gamers with that big friend list that already are stablished on playstation are sudenly gona jump because of power?  I highly doubt that. I can see them definetly them owining both consoles and then eventually focusing on the xbox cuz it could give them a  better experience on it on all thouse multy platform games. Again, something that wont start afecting untill later in the cycle cuz most multyplatform owners dont buy both at launch.

But MS does not have the price advantage. The ps5 D is still $100 less expensive than the xsx. Maybe MS can release one later without the disc drive, but right now they dont have it. 

And thats the thing about exclusives, they also lead the power narrative. While we can all agree that the xbox will have the most powerfull hardware in a lot of games. At the begining thouse games will be crossgen so both consoles will max out thouse games. Then the exclusives will shine britest among basicly 8th gen ports. Lest just look back at dirt 5 gameplay the other day. People where not impress at all. They where not impreesed with halo and they wont be with other crossgen games. But they where impresed with spidermar, horizon, demon souls and ratchet and clank. Because they pushed the consoles. Again, that will change later in the  life cycle of theese consoles. But again, will that be to late?

Xbox all acces is definetly an advantage. People love their payment plans. Shame its so limited. There are regions that would benefit more from this plan than the ones that it curreently releasing on. Back in my country consoles are like 2x the price. People would go crazzy for this.

Multy platform games are the highest selling only counting all releases. If you look per console only fifa and COD are the ones who chart at the top. Most of the top selling titles on Playstationare are its exclusives. Very few multyplats sell more than its top exclusives. And just look at nintendo. There just arent many multyplats that sell above 10m on any single patform. While sony and nintendo have many. Some of nintendos have gone over 20m.