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Shinobi-san said:
FarleyMcFirefly said:

I don't support either side in this when all is said and done. So even if it is naive, I am just trying to see the good in people. I am trying to see things from both sides. I am just curious, from where are you getting your news from? Because according to the left: Trump supports white supremacy and violence, inciting the Proud Boys to violence, and the only way to stop this madness is to get him out of office. According to the right: the democrats want no law inforcement, they will not denounce riots from BLM and Antifa. There has been hatred and violence on both sides. I don't think Trump is a nice person but I don't think he is an evil person. I think the media smears him and people believe it. Both sides are trying to cause panic (in different ways) to ensure their victory in the election. 

Were the numbers not originally 2 million Americans for this year? I'm just trying to understand. We do not have all of the facts. We still do not really know much about this disease, as if we did, it would be under control and we would have a vaccine. From my perspective as a neighbour, I saw the left smear Trump as xenophobic when he closed off China. It is like a lose lose situation. Anything that he would have done would have been scrutinized in one way or another. 

I hate death. Death is the reason why I am crippled by anxiety. Any death is too many from this disease. But I believe that it would have happened with any other president. I just cannot understand placing blame solely on him and never recognizing anything good that he has done. What about his historic peace deals? Are they not important because of the pandemic?  

Honestly, I am just trying to get all sides, but I cannot agree with either. People are too extreme one way or another and aren't going to change their minds. Hatred isn't a healthy motivator. Anger is. You can have righteous anger. You cannot have righteous hatred. When you hate one side, or one person, and you put out that hate. How will that heal tensions?  How will that bring about positive change? It won't. 


I often find myself with very similar opinions to this and strangely enough also met with often hostile responses. I'd just say that you are not alone.

For me, what you are saying resonates and I 100% agree.

Just thought id put it out there.

I am also in no way a Trump supporter, but some of the reactions to him and more importantly his fans is quite sickening. People seem to be under this false narrative that they can fight Trump by hating him. It didn't work out well the last time and it probably wont work out well this time either. Dude is most likely going to president again because of that hatred mentality. I find that ignorance a bit disappointing and ultimately a bit sad especially as someone that identifies as "leftist" or whatever that is these days.

If people are going to vote for Trump just because other people hate him, then they are voting for really irrational reasons, and there's probably not much that could have been done to reach them in any event.