I'm going to be honest, VGChartz has one of the worst way to do multiquote. I don't know why its so asinine here.
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counting only the 7th and 8th gen isn't a hall decent way to look define a "trend". Why not just count al the gens that the PS and Xbox has been on the market? Sony wom the 5th gen as a newcomer (no small feat by the way) went on stronger with the 6th gen, lost market share with the 7th gen (but still won though, however you wanna dismiss that), then came back stronger than ever with the 8th gen. The only trend that that should show you if you are being honest, is that it literally takes son to fuck up properly for MS to have a fighting chance.
Is there any indication of that happening right now?
First off, Microsoft wasn't around in the 5th Generation, so it makes no sense comparing that. Even still, the 6th Generation (PS2) is the only time we've seen the prior competitor remain on top. That was about 15 years ago. Since then, we've seen a shift in who's on top. Sony was bested by Nintendo and Microsoft (and yes, I'm willing to say that because Sony's marginal lead was only a result of Microsoft being less competitive in certain countries. Wasn't even close in others). Sony was on top on Gen 8 and now we are looking at Gen 9 and if the pattern holds, we'll see Sony on the bottom. It's like if I were to point out how every president has been followed by one of the opposite party and you go "but but what about Reagan and Bush".
Thats just deep man... and why I say you have a twisted way of looking at the industry. If all you see in sonys library of games are sequels then you aren't looking. But even if that were the case, gaming is a sequel heavy industry. But simply put, Sony has or will have seven, 8M - 10M+ selling IPs. U4, TLOU2, GTS, GoW, GoT, Spiderman, HZD, And of those 7 IPs, 3 are new IPs, 3 are sequels and one is a remake. And if I were to ad the 4-7M selling IPs to this list, which is where MS offering this gen resides in, then Sony has a shit ton more games there too.
And MS does not have a single game that has sold up to 10M units all of this gen. Has not introduced a single new IP that has warranted a sequel (unless we count Ori), and somehow, you see sony as the one having cracks? And should you really be talking about sequels when comparing MS to sony? Think about that one.
And all those weaknesses you mentioned, are not weaknesses at all, and are things only the strongest platform can do and et away with. Why in God's name should sony announce the price first? What have the got to prove? Why should sony encourage crossplay? Do you think if MS was in sony's position they would allow crossplay? That you don't understand why MS pushed so hard for cross-play kinda tells me you haven't really given any of what you are saying much thought.
You can look at most of the titles on the PS5 and a lot of the big hitters coming from Sony are sequels. Horizon Zero Dawn, Rachet and Clank, Spiderman, even Sackboy and Astro's Lounge are part of the same series. The few original titles aren't going to do much (sorry, Bugsnax and Goodbye Volcano High aren't going to set the world on fire). Even their big surprise at the end is a remake of Demon Souls It's hard not to look at the PS5 line-up and see that there are a lot of similar games to what was on PS5. Same old doesn't always work. You can look at New Super Mario U as an example. Keep in mind, New Super Mario Bros Wii sold over 30 million. Sequels alone aren't a recipe for success.
Also, got to love the "those weaknesses aren't weaknesses, their strengths." You might as well tell me Nintendo Switch Online is a strength with that logic. This is why people get annoyed with Sony fans because they can never criticize their preferred company, even when it was obviously a bad idea.
Again... a twisted way of looking at the industry. I really hope you don't believe this.
I've noticed you've used this term a lot in this discussion. Here you don't even bother to explain why I have a twisted view (my guess is because you can't).
I don't think this comment warrants much of a response, so I'll keep it brief here. First, yes, management changes matter because those are the people who are calling the shots. Phil Spencer isn't going to make the same decisions that Don Mattrick will. Second, look up what a substitute in economics is. If your major selling point is sports game, than people may just leave for a better box that plays sports games.
You are the one making claims, the burden of proof lies with you.
You really are looking or reading too much into this price nonsense. But here's one for you. MS talked about project scarlet at E3 2019. They showed the bloody hardware at the gams awards. They had a full-blown teardown in March 2020. The first time we saw anything pertaining the PS5 was in June. There were rumors that sony was not ready for next-gen and what not....
Do you know, that till this day, we have not seen a single game running on the Series X? And their flagship title (which is a sequel btw) was in such bad shape that it was pushed to next year.
MS marketing with regards to next gen has been about making as much noise as possible. Empty noise if I might add. Sony's has been more deliberate and reserved, but when they talk people listen and they give a lot of info. It should tell you a lot that on the day MS announces the series S and pricing for both its consoles, its the PS5 (not the Xbox) that is trending on twitter. Or that the PS5 reveal trailer alone has over 35M views on youtube alone, vs 3M for the series S and 14M for the series X.
If this is sony struggling, then I am sure MS wishes they could be struggling too.
The burden of proof is not with me because I've pointed out examples where insider knowledge turned out to be true. It's with the Sony guys know to show that they are wrong.
Also, your argument is silly because, let's be real, ALL of the games shown thus far have been running on high end PCs. This is why a lot of Sony's games look better in the promotional trailers than they actually do. Graphics and performance won't matter in the end anyway.
It's also a very fanboy thing to say that Sony's marketing has been "reserved". No, I wouldn't call Sony's lame GDC speech as "reserved". I wouldn't call the tepid Summer showcase "reserved". Sony's messaging looks disjointed. They are relying on their previous success to coast through with the PS5 which, as I laid out earlier, doesn't always work. Microsoft has been far more proactive. I wouldn't say everything they've done has been great, but it's hard to say they've done any worse than Sony.
My personal opinion on this is that both systems will do well in the fall and then struggle thereafter as people look to cheaper alternatives to game as a result of the COVID induced recession. Microsoft is at least better poised for this scenario (with the $300 box) but they aren't immune. Nevertheless, I think the reason you think I have a "twisted" view is I don't worship the almighty Sony. You're post has just be lavishing praise on your preferred billion dollar corporation. You even go so far as to twist the censorship and crossplay issues as good things for Sony rather than blunders. In fact, I think this article from Business Insider illustrates this point very well and echos some of the things I was saying in this post. I think you are unable to look at Sony objectively, which is why you see what I'm saying as "twisted".
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