NightlyPoe said:
zorg1000 said:
His argument was that 2020 is worse than previous years, im pointing out that its very similar to 2018 if you don't arbitrarily exclude certain titles from one year while including similar titles to the other year. I never once claimed either year was good or bad.
I'm still confused how you think i said all releases are equal? If all titles were equal than reshuffling the lineup would not be necessary, i would have just left them they way they were.
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But you placed a bunch of new games up against ports. Kirby against a remade GBA/DS game. Mario Party against a toy. Let's Go against a compilation.
Is it your opinion that those games are comparable or not?
Anyway, let's go ahead and just categorize to simplify. Let me know if you have any objections:
| 2018 |
2020 |
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| System Sellers |
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| 1. Smash Bros. Ultimate |
1. Animal Crossing: New Horizons |
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| High-tier |
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| 1. Pokemon Let's Go |
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| 2. Super Mario Party |
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| Mid-tier Games |
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| 1. Kirby Star Allies |
1. Paper Mario: Origami King |
| 2. Mario Tennis Aces |
2. Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity* |
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| Low-priority Games |
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| 1. Torna: The Golden Country* |
1. Clubhouse Games |
| 2. Sushi Striker |
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| 3. Octo Expansion* |
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| Non-Game Toy Offerings |
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| 1. Labo |
1. Mario Kart Live |
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| High-selling Ports/Remakes |
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1. Mario 3-D All-Stars |
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| Regular Ports/Remakes |
| 1. Baynoetta 2 |
1. Tokyo Mirage Sessions |
| 2. DKC: Tropical Freeze |
2. Pokemon Mystery Dungeon |
| 3. Hyrule Warriors |
3. Xenoblade |
| 4. Captain Toad |
4. Pikmin 3 |
I put a little star on the ones that are tougher calls.
-Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity might surprise and jump into the high-tier, but it's way too early to say it will.
-Torna, despite its origins as DLC, is borderline mid-tier. Really, if it wasn't put in comparison with the rest of the Xenoblade series and hadn't started its life as DLC, it would be an easy call to put in the mid-tier.
-Octo Expansion is pure DLC, but is also a fairly complete game in and of itself. It's borderline, take your choice.
Oh, and I didn't include Bravely Default II because it's still undated and there's a pretty good chance it slips into 2021 and it's only nominally Nintendo's and Octopath is all Square Enix. Also, Cadence of Hyrule is mostly a physical release of a game we got last year. The DLC inclusions don't seem significant enough to merit special rating it as a new release.
Anyway, the advantage in newness, at least from a quantity standpoint, is pretty strongly in favor of 2018. The 2nd-tier games and unusually strong DLC* gave a lot more new stuff for players that year. The one big advantage 2020 has is that Mario 3D All-Stars will probably be a pretty big seller. Either way, there is a most definite objective difference between the two.
But really, we're still comparing bad to worse. Neither year was all that great. Heck, in 2016 when anyone interested in Nintendo was only looking for NX news, the lowly Wii U still managed to equal 2018 and almost double 2020 as far as new games go (outside Japan). That's the sort of low bar we're talking about here in terms of quantity.
*Note: I'm not just tossing in the DLC from 2018 and ignoring 2020. The DLC this year has just been a lot more standard in the vein of adding a little bit to a pre-existing game whereas Torna was justifiably packaged as a full game and Octo Expansion conceivably could been have as well.
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Define "a bunch"
Kirby vs Mystery Dungeon is a new game vs a remake
Lets Go vs All Stars is a remake vs remaster compilation
Mario Party vs Mario Kart Live is a family minigame compilation vs a family race car game
I fail to see where I placed a bunch of ports vs new games. If anything you are being inconsistent by considering Mystery Dungeon just a GBA/DS remake while Lets Go is a brand new game.
And how is two multiplayer Mario spinoffs aimed at casuals/families not a relevant comparison?
Also if you are going to include Torna/Octo Expansion than its only fair to include Isle of Armor/Crown Tundra.
