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sc94597 said:
vivster said:

It doesn't make sense at all. The number one priority for a left leaning party is to not have the most right wing party voted into the government. The only way to achieve that in the current system is to vote democrat. After you've established them, you can apply pressure. We had the perfect example of how not to do it last election. Left leaning people wanting to vote for Bernie boycotted Hillary and took votes away from the Democrats, the result was the exact opposite of what any left leaning person wants. So yeah, let's not do that bullshit again.

In the end it doesn't matter how right leaning the democrats are. Biden could walk up to the podium wrapped in a Nazi flag and greet the viewers with "Heil Hitler, my Niggers!" and he would still be the easy choice over Trump, because the chance is still more than zero to have reforms with Biden rather than the 0% with Trump, or any Republican for the matter.

"Vote lesser of two evils" has been the major strategy for the last fifty years. The result has been that politics in the United States has been shifting rightward due to the ratchet effect. The DNC's convention literally was just Bush Republicans (circa 2005) returning into politics as Democrats. 

 

The 1890's People's party   shifted the Democratic and Republicans left-ward, starting the progressive era. 

The Farmer-Labor Party shifted the Democratic Party leftwards, and eventually merged with it. 

Hell even the early 20th century Socialist Party shifted the Democratic Party leftwards by acting as a regional alternative in the Northeast and Midwest. 

If there isn't pressure from the left, the whole political system will continue moving to the right. 

And by the way, more Bernie primary voters voted Clinton, than Clinton primary voters voted Obama.

The idea that Biden could be a literal Nazi and be better than Trump is ridiculous. 

And where do you think that pressure from the left will come from when Republicans are the only ones voted into office?

Of course they're moving ever closer to the right when that's the side that's most appealing to voters. And that won't change unless democrats are routinely voted in and they can actually push for progressive reforms without having to fear to be instantly voted out of office next chance.

I am all for more parties but THAT. SHIT. DOES. NOT. WORK. IN. THE. US. BECAUSE. THE. US. IS. NOT. A. DEMOCRACY. So let's just focus on trying to reform first before we try to pretend that democracy exists, let alone works, in the US.

Last edited by vivster - on 22 August 2020

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