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Immersiveunreality said:
vivster said:

What kind of pressure can an absolutely insignificant movement apply that a sitting president can't? It's about priorities. First you oust the party that will definitely not give you what you want, the only way is to vote them out. So you vote Democrat. And not just once but for several legislatures and in a majority in both houses. After that you can apply pressure. Because then you're in a position of power. Before that nothing will work.

It doesn't make sense at all. The number one priority for a left leaning party is to not have the most right wing party voted into the government. The only way to achieve that in the current system is to vote democrat. After you've established them, you can apply pressure. We had the perfect example of how not to do it last election. Left leaning people wanting to vote for Bernie boycotted Hillary and took votes away from the Democrats, the result was the exact opposite of what any left leaning person wants. So yeah, let's not do that bullshit again.

In the end it doesn't matter how right leaning the democrats are. Biden could walk up to the podium wrapped in a Nazi flag and greet the viewers with "Heil Hitler, my Niggers!" and he would still be the easy choice over Trump, because the chance is still more than zero to have reforms with Biden rather than the 0% with Trump, or any Republican for the matter.

Bolded: It is good to have such a currently insignificant movement on the side, most started that way and even if it takes many years to gain a greater importance it is still worth starting it in the current state we are in and it can build from that. The question atm is : What will a sitting president do to be truly progressive within this current two party system? You can hope for the best and you can hope for change but the current political system is being played like a doll by capitalism.

Anyway this can all turn out to be another capitalist scam or lead by people without the needed knowledge and experience so i need to reserve myself.

One of my first thoughts about this movement was that it's yet another fake grassroot movement paid for by Republican think tanks.

Anyway, it shouldn't try to build a party, but rather a protest movement to push the Democrats further to the left, where they belong. A 3rd party is not the answer in the US and will hurt their cause more than anything. They can form new parties as soon as they introduced some democracy to the US.



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