curl-6 said:
Cobretti2 said:

Religion is a very powerful brainwashing tool. You can't reason with it if they believe that marriage is a religious thing between a man and a woman. This does not mean that they hate gay people but rather truly believe by God's word it cannot happen.

Some countries have child marriage for example, which technically is a class of people as it is embedded in their culture. Would you argue to allow that in a modern civilized world as you are excluding? Sadly it is a fairly complex issue and the morality of it depends on how a country sees it as what is bad and what is good and religion has a part to play in that too.

In reality marriage is an outdated concept that shouldn't be tied to Law/Politics and what should really matter is the legal rights that people have when they choose to live together as a couple. When I got married I didn't feel like I suddenly had all these extra perks, neither dd my wife (perhaps we been together so long it didn't feel different). In reality it is more a celebration of love than anything else these days as many women are now fully self sufficient and employed.

In the past marriage felt more like a woman signing a contract to a man as the woman would be under a man's protection as he was the one that worked and the woman would stay home raising the man's offspring. Go back further in time and it was a way to join powerful families together lol.

PS - It is almost 3am so apologises if I went on a side rant here

Religiously motivated aversion/discrimination is still aversion/discrimination.

And child marriage is not remotely analogous; same sex couples getting married are adults whose brains have developed to the point of them being capable of informed consent.

Also, just for once, it'd be nice to be able to talk about same sex marriage without it being compared to everything from child marriage to pedophilia to bestiality. Besides being specious, it's also quite disrespectful.

I do actually agree that marriage itself is a somewhat outdated concept, but as long as it's a thing, same sex couples deserve the same civil rights.

I guess this is a good example of an issue that would be a dealbreaker for me, if a partner supported discrimination against same sex couples.

I don't disagree with anything that you are saying. Just pointing out that when someone is brainwashed in a belief (right or wrong) you can't really do much about it to change them and therefore it is a waste of time. The best you can do is hope that as the next generation comes along they are better educated and start to come up with their own views. This is why I also used the child marriage as an example. Overtime most countries have gone beyond that and only time allowed for that to happen. Hence why gay marriage as an example is at various stages in different countries as it takes time for change to happen. 

For me a civil union is what protects people by law. Hence why I think marriage is a bit outdated concept as what is the extra benefit of a marriage in terms of law? Nothing that I can think of and hopefully it goes away one day lol.

I guess it would kill a few industries though because these days people spending 20K-100K on the 'perfect' wedding and even trying to out do their friends.

I will end it with this (and it may sound bad), no straight male should ever fear homosexuality for the simple fact that the more there are the less competition a guy has in finding a woman. Surely that is a no brainer? We aren't all great looking roosters so take any advantage you can get lol. The other option we have to improve our odds is start another war. Send off all the roid raged blokes to war, let them kill each other, then the male herd is thinned out where you are left with a scenario similar to come countries in WW2 where women outnumber men 2-3 to 1.