The console war is over

[goopy20]

zero129 said:

DonFerrari said:

Going the lenght... is the console sales important or not to MS? From Phil statements for me they don't care or focus on that anymore (probably because they can't claim a win on it and stopped giving numbers since the "nearing 10M sales") and are looking on how to expand GP and make XCloud the future. So I'm not saying Phil was lying on this, but that people that say that isn't what he mean are the ones on the wrong.

And about PC releases impacting sales of Xbox consoles well you are going to disprove Major Nelson himself, and possibly his intel on this is better than yours.

But don't try to defend the two standards of Phil Spencer on locking people out due to generation or device then later paying for exclusives, he have been complaining about paid exclusive ever since he had a hard time doing it after Tomb Raider because of the disparity on userbase, but he never stopped doing it for real. He is just the "good guy" to promote himself and cry over competition.

Since when is a standalone spin-off meant to be flagship? Even more, Spiderman was a first release by Insomniac and the company was recently bought, plus the spin-off is coming not that long after the release of the previous one. Trying to compare it with Halo Infinite is trying to favour Xbox the most, and still Miles Morales still looks better than Halo and Sony didn't need to tout it as being built ground up to PS5 or that they have the strongest system ever... guess which company needed to "listen closely" after backlash from fanbase?

"The most ambitious campaign", seem like you took straight from MS playbook, a lot of hype and then where is the game to show it?

And we haven't seem the people that have been attacking Goopy for the last couple months saying Halo Infinite would look next-gen and not be held up at all by the Xbox One version right?

I'm pretty sure that before this event people were expecting Halo Infinite to be a showcase of the power of Xbox Series X, it is the main title of Xbox since it inception.

Id like you to point out where anyone said that Halo was 100% going to look next gen, i dont remember it that way. I do remember people including myself pointing out to Goopy that engines can scale and that Halo Inf could look next gen but that doesn't = Halo looking next gen. <-- I also still stand by that statement as the has been plenty of cross gen games in the past that wasnt held back by the gen before it. Also Goopys main statement was that "Every exclusive" would be held back by xbox one. How many exclusives was held back by Xbox One?. How many exclusives was even shown that is also going to be on XBOne?. Now his narrative is that PC will hold back the games. where has PC ever held back any game?. Its always the other way around.

PC never held console games back before because we've never had consoles launch with specs that rival expensive high-end gaming PCs. When the ps4/Xone came out, they were already pretty dated. Even if you were still using a gpu weaker than what's in the ps4/Xone, you could just buy something like a GTX760 for like $150 back in 2014. And to this day, you would still be able to play all of the multiplatform games at similar graphics settings as the console versions.

Next gen that will be a different story as a RTX2080, NVME SSD (and probably a new cpu) are pretty expensive upgrades. Like I said many times before, GP's success is totally dependent on reaching the bulk of the PC gamers, and the average gaming pc will have some catching up to do if you look at the specs of Series X. MAybe that'll happen in 1 year, but it can also take 3 or 4 years. Who knows really? All we know is that, in the meantime, its in MS best interest to not see games designed around high-end pc specs, as nobody on GP would be able to play them. Its probably why all the games they showed are still so early in production and why most of MS's studios are doing "passion projects" in the meantime.

Just ask yourself when you think we'll see full blown next gen titles on GP? We typically get 1 or 2 years of cross-gen titles from 3rd party developers and it takes another 1 or 2 years before they'll show up on GP, if at all. Next gen could be halfway over before we'll see that happen. That's why it should be the 1st party games leading the charge into next gen, but MS isn't even showing up for the first 2 years. With the ps5, Sony doesn't have to consider any other platforms and my guess is that they'll be looking the push the visual envelope early.

Last edited by goopy20 - on 03 August 2020