Rate The Xbox Games Showcase

[sales2099]

Runa216 said:

sales2099 said:

Your description of the games doesn’t change what I said. The narrative is temporary. Gameplay is inevitable. Marketing and Game Pass will almost always guarantee a audience for them. Xbox having 15 officially confirmed 1st party games is unprecedented. Even if you don’t know much about many of them this is uncharted waters. No more over relying on the “trinity”. No more game droughts. You have to at least acknowledge that. 

You seem like a traditional gamer, and that’s fine. But at least put yourself in the shoes of gamers that play a ton of games every year regarding GP. It truly is a system seller in its own right for what it does. 

“even you don't seem to think there's any value in the actual Xbox, it's all about Gamepass to you.”. Well considering GP is exclusive to the Xbox brand, and I don’t have a gaming PC, it seems Xbox consoles are the way to go for me. The only place I can play Halo or Hellblade or Avowed is Xbox consoles. Because this may shock you....dozens of millions of gamers don’t care about gaming on PC. They want the cost effective convenience of a gaming console. And GP allows me to play a ton of games both 1st and 3rd, because saving money actually matters to most people. Knowing I will most certainly pay more $$$ if I went the PS route, logically Xbox is my console of choice. 

You have a problem empathizing how people could like what you don’t. Please try.

You know, you are one of the most dedicated fans I've ever seen, going so far as to blatantly draw lines in the sand and turn this into some weird me vs you, us vs them mentality. I have no problem empathizing with people who don't agree with me, I have made it clear I criticize all consoles and all manufacturers based on what they do well and what they don't. It just so happens to be that Microsoft has not done much to impress me (or many others) for a long time now while Nintendo and Sony ARE doing very well. 

You say I can't empathize or understand people like what I don't, but you have it backwards. You are the one who seems to have the chain of causality backwards. you have it in your head that the only reason I'm critical of Microsoft is because I hate them and want them to fail. You act like I'm just a 'hater' and that I'll hate what they do regardless of whether I'd like it or not, where the reason I'm so critical is...becuase they keep fucking up. I don't hate them because I'm a hater, I'm critical of them because they're fucking up. The issue lies with them. As a consumer myself I have every right to pick and chose - as do you - and I'd much rather have all consoles like I have the past three generations. (Five if you only count the PS1/N64 for that generation and Genesis/SNES for the one prior to that). I want all consoles, I hate the petty fighting, I don't like missing out on potentially good deals, and I think the industry is better when there's competition. 

but Microsoft keeps fucking up.

They keep failing to deliver on promises.

They routinely have little to no exclusives.

They keep making decisions that drive people away from their brand.

They keep focusing on things that don't matter.

They keep pushing the 'most powerful console' narrative but then give us what we saw at this showcase

They keep promising new teams and new games and new IPs and yet almost none of their games over the past 3-5 years have been great. 

The franchises they have got have been growing stale.

Microsoft keeps fucking up. 

And they keep doing it. They keep twisting logic to make it sound better than it is, they fail to make new IPs or try new things they have no games (And what few games they do have come to PC), and people like you keep bending over backwards to justify it. If you like what they offer, that's fine. What I'm critical of is the fact that you seem to love absolutely everything they do and hate what Sony does even if they are remarkably comparable in look, feel, tone, and delivery. That's about as 'loyal' as you can get. Unlike you with Xbox, I hate or dislike or am neutral on a lot of things Sony does...but they do so many things that it doesn't matter that I think Uncharted is overrated as hell, I can still play Ratchet & Clank. It doesn't matter that I hate Racing games like Gran Turismo and Drive Club, I can still play Bloodborne. It doesn't matter that Sports games are the bane of my existence and thus will never touch MLB The Show, I still have God of War and Spider-Man and Horizon Zero Dawn and so many others. 

With Xbox, you've still really only got the holy trinity of Halo, Gears, and Forza. Little else breaks through or is in any way impressive. If you don't like shooters or racers, there's really nothing for you on Xbox One. If you honestly think tripe like Crackdown 3, Ryse, SEa of Thieves, and State of Decay are enough to make the Xbox worth it to the average person, you're delusional. If you like those games, fine, but don't pretend I'm strange for saying it's not good enough. 

Because that's what you're doing. You're being critical of me for being critical of your brand. And yes it is your brand, clearly. You're being a hypocrite. I'm not allowed to be critical of Microsoft in your eyes, something you've made stunningly and repeatedly clear. but you can bitch at me and call me all manner of names because of it. You're a hypocrite. 

Microsoft keeps fucking up and it'll do a lot more than what they showed in this presentation to make me trust them again. They've been pulling this crap for the better part of a decade and I'm not going to fall for it again. I concede that GamePass is a good deal...for people who like that sort of thing. If it was the sort of thing more people wanted, it'd be more successful. At that price, EVERYONE should have it, but they don't. and EVERYONE has a PC. So cut it out. Stop acting like I'm crazy or delusional because I rightly criticize a company that has been fucking up and doing the same hype loop for the last ten years or so. 

Hey I get it, you have good personal reason to be who you are. The misteps aren’t lost on me either. Doesn’t change you are now jaded and have a more pessimistic view. I chose to be more optimistic. 

I’m simply seeing them doing things that they never did even at their best (early 360 years). They invest in powerful hardware, which is something I wanted after Xbox One disappointed. Their BC approach is the best in the industry, and I do use that time to time. Carrying forward my library matters to me. Game Pass allows me to play thousands of dollars worth of games for cheap. The trinity appeals to me. And now they have more games in development then they ever had. Far away or not it’s signs of genuine change, regardless of how long I have to wait to play all of them. I don’t need to see gameplay to have 100% faith in Obsidian and Playground. 

And imo, the PC route they taking is genius. For console only gamers this means nothing for obvious reasons. People who game on PC either do so exclusively or have a combination of PS and Nintendo. They have 0 motivation to get a Xbox console. MS found a way to make them Xbox gamers. Even people like Goopy admit to going to play Halo on PC. That alone should tell you something. MS literally is making customers out of haters, adding to their ecosystem. They give them money, even if through Steam, make a Xbox account, and most importantly...give them their precious time instead of playing somewhere else.

So I guess that’s it. We just have a different outlook. That and PS exclusives just don’t appeal to me. I mean KZ and LOU are tempting but the sequels just didn’t do it for me narratively speaking. They hardly offer any multiplayer either which is huge to me. 

Last edited by sales2099 - on 27 July 2020