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Slownenberg on 26 July 2020
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Runa216 said:
Slownenberg said:

Most people love Odyssey, including me, but yeah for sure not every popular game is loved by everyone. I for one find GTA boring, couldn't get into Minecraft and Fortnite. People who don't like Odyssey seem to just not like open level 3D platformers. They want platformers that are more like linear levels like the 2D variety. That's the only complaint I've ever seen of Odyssey. They tend to like 3D World and Galaxy but not SM64, Sunshine, and Odyssey.

Oh my god, weird for thinking that is right haha. NSMBU is I'd say the worst 2D Mario I've ever played by a long shot, in that it is pretty mediocre, while all other 2D Mario's are pretty fantastic. NSMBUD is a lot of fun multiplayer, but I had to force myself a bit to keep playing through it one player to beat the game.

That's just it, though...it had so much more to offer than any other 2D Mario outside of Super Mario World or Super Mario 3. It had the most unique and interesting level design maybe of any 2D Mario, it had the most secrets, it had dozens of alternate exists and hidden routes, it had plenty of ways to enjoy the game, there was actual interaction on the world map, etc. 

It was by far the most innovative, fun, and creative 2D Mario since Super Mario World. (I don't count Yoshi's Island, that's its own thing and it's wonderful). I used to think it was mediocre as well, but after learning a bit about level design through Design Doc and GameMakers Toolkit, I came to realize just how great the game's level design really is. I dunno, that's a hill I'm willing to die on. NSMB U and NSMB UD are some of the best 2D Mario has ever been and I was happy to pay full price to get them on Switch even after buying the game and expansion on WiiU. 

Die away my friend haha. It just felt totally uninspiring to me. Also the controls are too loose or sloppy or something. After playing it I played some NES Mario on Switch and was immediately like wow this feels wayyy better. It is hard for me to pinpoint what made it feel mediocre beyond it just feeling uninspired and loose controls, but yeah I had to force myself to keep playing to the end which has definitely never been the case for any other 2D Mario game.

We need Nintendo to start a new series of 2D Mario on the Switch. The New series was great for bringing Mario back to 2D but its time has passed.