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vivster said:
Dulfite said:
So many conflicting thoughts. Education is important. Safety is important. Herd immunity is important. Freedom is important. Every other cause of death, many with far higher death rates, that we overlook are important. We can't have it all.

Nothing conflicting here. Easy solutions for everything.

1. Education is not as important as human lives and can be done safely from home. Solved.

2. Safety is important, which is why everyone should stay at home. Solved.

3. Herd immunity doesn't happen through random contagion. It's not gonna be a thing before a vaccine exists. Solved.

4. People are given the freedom to not die by staying at home. Some freedoms are more important than others. Solved.

5. There currently is no other single cause of death with a higher death rate. Which is why we tackle this one with priority. Solved.

Life is always about compromise, the current time we live in is no exception. There is no absolute freedom for everyone and there never will be. As soon as people get that into their thick skulls we will all live better lives.

1. There have been many people, including one of the largest school districts in the nation, that have reported how online learning failed. I was a teacher until last school year and I've got plenty of teacher friends. Many students use it as an excuse to not do work, and I've got teachers I know that are working 10 hour days basically pleading with their students to do their work. This is not sustainable.

2. Safety is most important, I agree, even if education is lost.

3. Why not? There are tons of illnesses throughout history that herd immunity developed. And the "projections" on when we will get a vaccine (and if that will even be impactful again a virus that will probably have mutated by then) are not encouraging.

4. For how long? It's already been like half a year for the hardcore stay at homers. Now we are looking at a second shutdown. How many more semesters, or potentially years? Are we going to do this for literally every widespread virus going forward (which come like every 2 years, H1N1 gen. 2 is on its way already)? Is half of our lives going to be spent in our homes? People will go stir crazy. People, like me with anxiety disorders, will and are really hurting from that kind of isolation. I'm sure suicide rates are quite high. People need physical, in person, out of the house interactions and activities. If it's not for long that's one thing, but half of a year or more is really hard for those of us with high stress levels.

5. Uh, what? There are tons and tons of people that have gotten this thing, many with no symptoms (and therefore no way to really report it). The data doesn't reflect those people, skewing it to make it look like there is a higher death rate. Most people that get it seem to be asymptomatic or close to it.