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the-pi-guy said:

>I don't see how you could have misunderstood that. 

I don't see how you could have misunderstood the difference between discussions about a game, and the actual game itself.  

>Complaining about complainers isn't any less trivial than complaints about the game, to be frank it's completely useless, 

Uh no.  Complaining about a game doesn't hurt anyone.  Complaining that there are LGBT characters in a game does hurt someone.  I know you don't understand why or how, but the point here is they aren't equivalent.  Being a racist isn't equivalent to being anti-racist, because "trivially they both dislike someone".  

>whereas criticism towards the game could potentially yield a better game.

This is a big point of my post. The game has a lot of room for criticism. The problem is, a lot of supposed criticism about the game isn't actually criticism of the game.  

>Why isn't that enough? 

People want role models. These seemingly inconsequential things have an actual impact on kids and teenagers.  

People want to see characters that they relate with somehow.  

Whether it's a character trait like someone being nerdy or whether it's a struggle people relate with. Those are the characters that stand out. 

>The creator is free to make his characters as diverse or not as he wants, while the consumer is free to buy it or not.

Exactly.  

You can claim moral superiority, but the exact topic of their complaints is irrelevant to the point that you are a pot calling a kettle black. I don't agree with your assertion that the majority of TLOU2 complaints are solely about identity politics. When you admit to only watching 1/5th of a single somewhat critical review where you say it covers things that didn't happen (Joel's death didn't happen???), it brings to question whether your representation of the criticism is fair.

Also, lol yes even legit complaints upset people. Can't tell ya how many times I've been called racist/sexist/homophobic/etc., but while I am weak, I'm not that much a snowflake to let baseless and expected insults over the internet upset me. Pretty easy to disregard when you can just tab out, a shame many don't understand this and instead choose to play victim.

Being a good role model and being relatable have little to do with appearance n sexuality, and everything to do with personality, backstory, circumstances, relationships, goals, values, and so ons as you say yourself. Good we're at least agreed on this, couldn't tell if you were the type that demands developers force in diversity.

DonFerrari said:

As much as is petty to demand representation (I don't think it is important and like to watch a lot of thing the protagonist is quite different from me) it is also petty to complain about a game being diverse on cast physical appearance and race/gender/sexual orientation.

That it is, shoulda made it more clear I meant the other way around too. The minority, keyword: minority that are adverse to diversity as just as snowflakey.