Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread

[JRPGfan]

vivster said:

JRPGfan said:

I'm not saying I support it... I said I can understand why they might try to get their hands on other nations research into the vaccine, because they want to "borrow" the results (the western countries have made), to accellerate their own program.

At this point, it has to be real clear that Russia apparently doesnt trust the west to treat them right, when it comes to vaccines (given/information/sold to them prices).


However the root of the act itself, while criminal (its not okay to hack research labs), comes likely from a desire to start their own program of vaccinations, and protect their own people.  I know the road to hell, paved with good intentions, thingy. Is it bad they want to try and protect their people?

Im sympathetic to their situation.
I suspect south africa has a higher chance, of getting help from the west than russia does.
I'd rather russia got it tbh, there alot closer to europe, and I'd rather they get their spread under controll (by means of a vaccine if needed) than not.


*IF* the west made it clear, that a vaccine that works, will be wild spread, and given to everyone was in everyones own intrests.
And was believeable.... this probably wouldn't have happended.  The issue is its not, theres clearly people thinking profits, even if it means more virus out there killing people. Theres clearly people thinking politics (so what if russians die?) ect.

The sooner this virus is stamped out everywhere, the better for humanity.
In todays world, people catch plane rides and go everywhere, and spread just carries on and on  and on.
If we want this gone, we need vaccines that work given to everyone in the world.

That is all stupid conjection. It is in the interest of every medical professional in the world that the virus will be stamped out everywhere. "Not trusting the west" is in no way any justification to commit major crimes. There are more than enough proper channels to obtain information and collaborate with researchers and I'm pretty sure Russia is already using all of them.

Have you seen western countries break into Russia to secretly obtain their information? There is simply no need to do so unless you have shady motivation.

Let me make it very clear, Russia is NOT a victim and due to their actions in the past there is no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt. They will get a vaccine just like everyone else, they do neither deserve nor need special criminal access. It's them who are the nationalists, not everyone else.

"There are more than enough proper channels to obtain information and collaborate with researchers and I'm pretty sure Russia is already using all of them."

Which then follows the question.... WHY? why would they then have to resort to hacking to gather intelligence on vaccines?
Maybe, just maybe.... all the "proper channels" dont mean crap, and they had no luck when talking to EU, UK, USA?  And as a last resort choose to try something extreme like takeing the information themselves?

"Have you seen western countries break into Russia to secretly obtain their information? There is simply no need to do so unless you have shady motivation."

Why would we? russia isnt a leading country when it comes to this vaccine research is it?
*IF* russia was (or had a working vaccine), I'm sure USA, EU, UK would be trying to hack them as well.

"Let me make it very clear, Russia is NOT a victim and due to their actions in the past there is no reason to give them the benefit of the doubt. "

NO one wins, by anyone suffering with coronavirus.
Everyone should be handing over all information, and research reguarding vaccine developement to anyone that wants it.
So everyone can start mass produceing them, as soon as its proved safe to use.

The problem, is greed wont allow that to happend.
Political power, and extortion you could have with a vaccine, wont allow that to happend.

You think Trump is willing to give russia a working vaccine free of charge?
US will probably pressure EU/UK to not do so either.


"Russia is NOT a victim"
The virus wont kill Russia though.... it will kill normal everyday citizens, who have done no wrong to anyone.
You know innocent people..

Russian's *could* be a victim, easily, if we dont give them research on vaccines or sell them cheap or tamper with their vaccines and such.