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sundin13 said:
KLXVER said:

I do not think defunding the police is a good idea. It gives them less options and less resources for fighting crime. I thought that was pretty obvious. They cut the NYPD budget by 1 billion dollars and crimes have skyrocketed. Other cities seem to have become worse as well. 

A reform within the police could be good. They should always be conscious of what they can do in order to better themselves. However I dont agree with giving the police less options and more rules when it comes to answering a call. The rules are very clear. Its just easy for some of those rules to fade when you are fighting for your life. 

I was not only talking about police shootings btw. Should have made that more clear.

Defunding the police is a means of increasing the resources that goes to funding crime by way of restructuring. I felt I had already made this clear, but I will go over it again. Probably the primary goal of the "defund" movement, is changing the type of thing that police respond to. Officers may be asked to respond to everything from drug addiction to barking dogs to mental health issues to cats stuck in trees. None of this really provides benefits when it comes to reducing crime and much of it could be handled better by a separate, non-police group who is trained in handling issues such as mental health, homelessness and addiction. 

It is a commonly stated problem among police that we are asking police to do too much. They largely agree that it doesn't make sense to send them out for a lot of these calls. We shouldn't be sending an armed force to every problem under the sun. As such, the "defund" movement seeks to shrink the responsibilities of the police in order to allow them to focus their efforts on the areas which they could benefit (and shrink their funding in kind), while redirecting some of that funding, and adding additional funding to other means of reducing crime and providing the services that the police used to provide.

As for your assertion that "they cut the NYPD budget by 1 billion dollars and crimes have skyrocketed", this is bullshit. Like, come on dude. This cut has not been enacted yet, and as such, we have yet to see any consequences of this change. The crime spike that we are seeing across the country is considered to largely be the result of the coronavirus, not budget cuts that haven't even went into place yet. 

And if you were not only talking about police shootings, then my initial assessment was correct. You are 100% wrong when it comes to your assertion that the media overrepresents white on black crime while ignoring black on white crime. 

The fact that you believe this stuff absolutely baffles me, when it is the polar opposite of reality. 

No, that would be the reform you talked about. Defunding means what it means. Take money away from or give less money to.

I dont get how you dont believe that the media is biased when it comes to this stuff though. If a white man hurts a person of color the headline is always "White man hurts someone." If its the other way around the headline is "Man hurts someone." I cant believe you havent noticed this. 

I saw an article where a black person had done something wrong and the police were looking for him and the description they gave of him was that "He has brown eyes and dark hair" They cant even say hes black for fear of blowback. Sure there was a picture of him, but still...

The 1 Billion dollar cut might not have kicked in yet, but the lower morale of the police probably has. 

We ARE asking the police to do too much, so I agree that they shouldnt have to answer calls of barking dogs and shit like that. But thats not really on them. People keep calling them for stuff like this. And if they didnt answer the call and the dog attacked someone, the police department would be criticized and smeared. So it should be on regular people to call someone else. I dont know who, but if they have a neighborhood watch or something like that, then call them. 

Last edited by KLXVER - on 08 July 2020