Grade the PS5 Conference

[Zoombael]

Runa216 said:

Zoombael said:

I'm not transparent though. My skin color is dark. Go ahead then, ask me if i feel included. Surrounded by caucasian looking male and female heroes. Do it, ask a negro fella if he feels included when a collage of the stereotypical white game protagonist can be done the same with the stereotypical white female protagonist. Ask if that darky you're calling a bigot feels more included than ever before, after this big diversity switch has gone from male caucasian to female caucasian, when on top of differing skin color gender is added.

Diversity has this ring of "all inclusivness" to it. But who exactly is this diversity trend ment for? For all of us diverse people, right? Right?! Not just for all of those many many women gamers who are as vigoroursly active as their masculine pendants. Not here on this board. Or at a big german games website. Or another non gaming related forum. Well, i'm sure they must be somewhere... i guess...

But i digress. Go on, ask the question, white boy. I dare you.

Do you feel included? Do you feel that inclusion needs to only represent you or not you or only females or only males? Do you honestly think one game or franchise is going to solve everything? Some games will have gay protagonists, some black, some straight, some female, etc. 

I genuinely don't know what agenda you're trying to push, but you can't bitch and complain about inclusion initiatives just becuase they don't represent you specifically. (at least that's the impression I get from your post; feel free to correct me if I'm misreading it.) I'm not a woman, a lesbian, or trans, but I can still celebrate the inclusion of lesbian or trans women protagonists or characters. I'm not black or asian or middle-eastern, but I can praise that inclusion. I don't need to be specifically represented or included to feel good about games that don't just cater to straight white males. The Last of Us Part II is a step forward, a symbolic showing that you can have female protagonists and lesbian/trans characters in a game. Don't expect the issue to be resolved and everyone to be satisfied by one game. 

So yeah, if you're in the mood to pull that shit, I do dare to ask you. Do you feel included? Do you? And if you don't, is that such a bad thing? 

At least tell me what your goal is here so I can reply accordingly. 

Usually, i don't see the point in dragging out these kind of debates. But, let's have a go at this one.

First of all...

Don't expect the issue to be resolved and everyone to be satisfied by one game. 

What the hell are you talking? The thread title is "Grade the PS5 Conference". One game? All the games!

Do you feel included? Do you feel that inclusion needs to only represent you or not you or only females or only males? Do you honestly think one game or franchise is going to solve everything? Some games will have gay protagonists, some black, some straight, some female, etc. 

I grew up in a pre-dominantely white neighbourhood. For the longest time i was the only dark skinned human in the entire suburb. A satisfying answer? Maybe. It's a weird thing to ask if i feel "inclusion needs to only represent...". It doesn't make any sense. Until recently i didn't feel the need for my skin color to be represented more adequately. But while we're at it, why not? It is called D-I-V-E-R-S-I-T-Y. Not feminisation of videogames. Hypothetically speaking, why do i have to justify when i wish for more black protagonists in video games?! Yes, there is Miles Morales, the black spider dude. Not getting his own main game, it's not SpiderMan2, but hey, it's something, right? And there have been games with black PCs in the past, like Shadowman (PS1), a game i still own, Blade (PS2), Prophet (Crysis franchise), GTA San Andreas. From the top of my head. So why should i complain? Well, some games had female protagonists, homo- and even transsexuality prior to the "era of diversity". So why should anyone see the need to complain? What is this talk of more diversity in videogames? According to you it was fine the way it was before. No need to push anyone or anything.

Let's have a look at my collection of PS4 games, starting with...

the last of us/left behind (white male/white female)

god of war (white male/black voice)

days gone (white male)

RDR2 (white male)

Graviy Rush 1/2 (female, blonde hair, white skin)

RE2R (white male/white female)

Witcher3 (white male)

Horizon Zero Dawn (white female)

Hitman 2 (white male)

Alien Isolation (white female)

Nioh (white male)

Deus Ex:Mankind Divided (white male)

Detroit Become Human (white male/white female)

SpiderMan (white male)

Doom (white male)

Uncharted 4 (white male)

Ratchet&Clank (male Lombax/Robot)

Yakuza Zero (asian male)

"Diversity"? 

One of the games i certainly going to buy next is Resident Evil 3 Remake (white female). I played the original back in the day (white female). Played Resident Evil Code Veronica on Dreamcast (white female). Going through my PS1/PS2 games... Parasite Eve (white female), Dino Crisis (white female), Fear Effect (white female), Syberia (white female), not to be confused with Cyberia (white male), Tenchu (asian male/female)...

"Druckmann: When I’m introducing and describing a new character to our lead character concept artist, constantly she will ask, “What if it was a girl?” And I’m like, Oh, I didn’t think about that. Let me think, does that affect or change anything? No? Cool, that’s different. Yeah, let’s do it."

https://kotaku.com/uncharted-4-director-says-they-had-to-ask-one-sexist-fo-1778198178

I wonder... what would Druckmanns reaction be to the suggestion of the next Naughty Dog game having a black african man as main. Curious, how it is constantly gender switching, but ethnicity/race is off the table. Maybe if a colored person is placed somewhere in Druckmanns vicinity he'll get something to think about.

Am not complaining, just to emphasize how ridiculous this all looks from my perspective.

To take it a step further. My predections:

You will be reading the title and think "not this again".

You will be watching the video and asking "what has this got to do with anything?"

Everything.

I genuinely don't know what agenda you're trying to push, but you can't bitch and complain about inclusion initiatives just becuase they don't represent you specifically.

I'm not pushing anything. I am exposing the hypocrisy you're defending. Just because?! You're saying diversity and inclusion isn't really all inclusive and specific areas are reserved for a specific group of people. Not all people...

I don't need to be specifically represented or included to feel good about games that don't just cater to straight white males.

If you don't need it and i'm not supposed to need it, why should anyone feel the need to be specifically represented and who decides whos voice is worth hearing? Btw. thank you to decide for me how i should feel. How generous of you. How subtle. What color is your skin again? Maybe someone should need the feel to check his privileges.

The Last of Us Part II is a step forward, a symbolic showing that you can have female protagonists and lesbian/trans characters in a game.

Uh-hu. You're seriously pretending there weren't female protagonists, homosexual and transsexual characters in video games before? Of course...

https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/2018/2/02/25-lgbt-video-game-characters