(SPOILER ALERT) Free discussion of TLOU2 with story included

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John2290 said:
Playing the first game again and it's tarnished knowing Ellie grows up to be such a cunt.

That is a hard take. She is just a kid, and a kid that has lived through some insane events. Many people go through growing pains in real life, and make emotionally driven choices. What she goes through in TLOUPII does not define her as a person for the rest of her life, just as no single event in Joel's life defined him as a person. Most people grow and change over time. The true mark of person is the receipt of all their actions throughout their life.

Ellie is not a bad person, she is a broken person. There is a difference. Same as Joel. Joel did horrible things after Sara died, and he did a horrible thing to save Ellie, but he is not a bad person. In fact, Joel became an outstanding person in his final years, which this game celebrates him for. However, it also showed that he had to pay the price for the bad things he had done in his past. Ellie still has an oppertunity to find a purpose, and grow from her expriences in this game. 

The point I am trying to make is you can not give up on Ellie, or anyone in that matter, just because of bad choices they make. Even more so, when those choices are made due to dramatic, emotion driven consequences like we see here. Nor can you clean the slate of the good things they have done, and the good times you have had with them. Letting bad events poison the memories of good events is a dangerous road to go down. That is how we loose touch with history. We have to remember the good times for what they were, the bad times for what they were, while also being able to put an overall rememberance on the whole picture.