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Torillian on 03 July 2020
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RolStoppable said:
Torillian said:

The issue I see with Rol's thought process is not that one is defining who they would date based on some criteria, but that that dating criteria is how you define who is and isn't a woman.

"what stood out is the statement that transgender women are women.

Simply ask yourself if you would draw a line between dating women and transgender women; if you are honest about it, the chance is higher than 99% that you will draw a line. At least I hope I am correct in assuming that 'transgender woman' means that a penis is still attached to such a person."

So basically transgender women can't be women because 99% of cis straight men wouldn't wanna fuck them and that's just "common sense"

My thought process arrives at the conclusion that a binary classification (man or woman) does not make sense. My original post had a flow to it, but it's been butchered a lot today.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9169547

I assume this is an issue of society trying to make absolutely everything normal and acceptable. I saw Hiku's post with the series of comments from Harry Potter actors and actresses, and what stood out is the statement that transgender women are women.

Simply ask yourself if you would draw a line between dating women and transgender women; if you are honest about it, the chance is higher than 99% that you will draw a line. At least I hope I am correct in assuming that 'transgender woman' means that a penis is still attached to such a person.

But in any case, today's outrage culture is about shaming common sense, so it's very, very, very easy to offend people on social media platforms. The world has way too many people who believe that they are doing society a good service by fighting for the presumed interests of minorities.

First paragraph directly refers to tweets that were linked in Hiku's posts where actors and actresses gunned for binary classification. Second paragraph invites readers of my post to be honest about their own perspective, questioning if transgender women are truly women or if there is a distinction to be made. Third paragraph calls out how common sense is tossed out of the window on social media platforms which goes back to the first paragraph and the statement that transgender women are women.

Or to put it into other words:

A man is a man.
A woman is a woman.
A transgender man is a transgender man.
A transgender woman is a transgender woman.

Now I don't know if that's offensive or not. Gender identity and gender expression make it a point that things are not binary, but it could possibly upset someone that the four lines above are four separate lines instead of only two. It could be viewed as transgender people being the odd ones out.

A fundamental issue I recognize here is a premise of "they are different, but they want to be the same" and that's always going to clash with itself. But this could very well just be people like the Harry Potter celebrities trying to take a stand for transgender people without actual transgender people viewing it the same way. Transgender people might recognize that they are odd ones out and their actual goals may be something like getting respect as human beings rather than dictating that a transgender woman is the same as a biological woman.

I think the phrase "trans-women are women" is not a statement reaffirming a dichotomy so much as stating the trans-women are as much in the category of women as any other subgroup of women. The category of women can still be a broad continuum while making this statement. It's not to say that there are no differences between trans- and cis-women, but that part of affirming the identity of those who are trans is including them in the gender category to which they believe themselves to be a part. With this statement in mind, that most people would care about the difference between cis and trans women when choosing dating partners would be a difference between trans and cis rather than a different between trans and women. I think that the issue with not agreeing that trans women are women is that when you differentiate between trans women and women there's an implied "real" in there that is detrimental. 



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