Phil Spencer confident after seeing PS5 presentation - Gamelab 2020 interview

[DonFerrari]

LudicrousSpeed said:

goopy20 said:

I'm sure it was discussed on forums but forums aren't the whole world. Like I said, the average Joe doesn't care, they care about how the game looks and plays and don't watch DF comparison videos. Of course there are people who do care and that's why Sony and MS released the 4k mid-gen consoles. I bought one and I think it was worth it, mostly because I recently bought a 65inch Oled. But the fact remains that not many upgraded because they didn't think a bump in resolution was worth it.

I agree that some genres definitely should be 60fps like I said, mostly racing- and online fps games. But you were talking about single player campaigns and said "give me 60fps campaign over 30 any day of the week, thanks. Much more impressive, much more responsive." So are you saying you weren't impressed with some of the highest rated games of this console generation like RDR2, BOTW, GOW, TLOU2 etc. because they are 30fps?

You didn't say "the average joe" you said no one cares about frame rate or resolution when playing a game. Obviously that is complete nonsense and factually wrong, so go ahead and shift goalposts to say casual gamers or "average joe's" don't care about them. Of course, the average joe doesn't really care about any of the stuff you normally rant about. It's a silly argument to make. Do you think Uncharted 4 is a good game? Well, the average joe PS4 owner didn't even buy it. See? Silly.

Lots of people care about graphics and frame rate. Otherwise DigitalFoundry wouldn't exist. There wouldn't be a million different ways you can build a gaming PC because if no one cared about those things then every manufacturer would just have one or two products. We wouldn't be seeing a 10TF PS5 because who cares about graphics or frame rate, PS4 seemed fine?

Why do you keep asking me about some of the highest rated games of this gen? Not once have I or anyone in this thread said a game must be 4k or run at 60+ FPS to be good. You know what would have made BOTW even better? Or RDR2 even better? 60 FPS. But not being 60+ FPS doesn't make any of those games automatically bad. And for the record no, I didn't really care for any of them, though I am not that far into LoU2. Or God of War for that matter. That and Days Gone are two PS4 games in my backlog to finish.

DonFerrari said:
Seems like Ludicrous suffers a special case of amnesia from when he changed account.
Because on VGC during the 7th gen, a lot of Xbox fans (that left the forum when X1 didn't put great sales) during the whole gen we had DF analysis between PS3 and X360 and the constant X360 is stronger because of a lot smaller difference in pixel and framerate (that was due to devs not knowing how to optmize for PS3). Then the same Xbox fans (while they didn't left) started to say that there was no noticeable difference between 720p to 1080p (even if they saw a big difference between 576p and 600p last gen, guessing random numbers), didn't ever saw he challenging that though.

There's a lot of nonsense in this post. For starters I didn't join this forum until 2012, which was like seven or eight years after the 360 launched and only a year before Xbone. So yeah, I didn't really "challenge" anyone gloating about how 360 games looked a tiny bit better or ran a bit better than PS3 games because I wasn't here. Secondly if those Xbox users are gone then who gives a flying fuck? Lastly all you're doing is making my case for me. So during the 7th gen one side cared about resolution and graphic fidelity. This gen the other side cared about it. Welp, sounds like I was right and people care about graphic fidelity and frame rate. I myself downplayed the visual difference between the Xbone and PS4 because it wasn't a big difference, and I still don't hesitate to turn off pretty graphics on my Scorpio if it means a higher frame rate. Hope that helped.

Last gen it seemed to matter until the end of the gen, this one I just remember threads about it or extesive discussing for the first year or first couple years, after that hardly saw any comparison. And yes, the "importance" of the specs change according to who is leading to each fanbase not sure from where you think that is novel.