Otter said:
Eagle367 said:

It amazes me how Nintendo continuously shows that weaker hardware and somewhat bad graphics do not affect their sales at all yet people keep insisting that somehow stronger hardware will be good for them. The problem we have is you are thinking like it's a PS or Xbox console and not like a Nintendo console. And we are thinking of it as a Nintendo console and trying to see how Nintendo will do things. Looking at their past, their own statements, their current leadership, etc we have no reason to believe that anything earlier than 2024 is even being entertained at Ninty right now. Of course situations are dynamic and things can change but right now I see no evidence of a switch 2 releasing in 2022 or early 2023 that will benefit Nintendo in any real way.

Regarding switch pro having exclusives and then being the main device or something, I don't see Nintendo doing that. The way the console market works and how people are hardwired is that hard resets happen. That means if Ninty or the other makers don't have the hardware reset, they won't experience the sales boom they do with a new console. Also any bad reputation from the base model carries over. Case in point is Xbox X and Xbox one. Xbox X didn't sell as well due to the reputation of One even though it was a huge update specs wise. XSeX is an opportunity to reset everything and create a new better narrative and hence sell more. 

The marketing benefit of a new generation has been too beneficial for these companies. You have to make your new toy sound like a huge deal. Iterative updates like in smartphones and laptops just don't work that we'll for an entertainment device like a video game console. But if a company can market their product as a huge deal while being more iterative, well that's a challenge I'm not sure the big 3 want to accept just yet.

Also it's unfair to talk about the lazy pokemon game. It would still have the problems no matter the power of switch because they just didn't polish it enough and do enough to remove all the issues.

If we think power isn't essential to Nintendo, its even more reason to move away from hard restarts unless they have a unique concept which is demanding of a hard reset.

Honestly I'm not arguing evidence of what they will do, simply arguing that it would make sense. I'm not sure many of us suspected a hybrid system in 2017 before it was rumoured or that Nintendo would put key franchises on mobile. I still recall many Nintendo fans on here upset when they first publically announced the NX so soon after the Wii U.

If people believe that Switch 2 will introduce something distinctly new then fair enough. To me Switch 2 will be a more powerful Switch. I Suspect further USPs will come through accessories (like ring fit/VR which will be dependant on more power).

Nintendo have never had problems selling premium versions of their hardware late in a gen, the only difference now is that late gen updates carry them further into the future and will usher in way more software support and prolonged income. In the past a soft transition wouldn't make sense, this would have resulted in Nintendo creating 2 games per platform (DS/3DS) either forcibly killing an old platform or preventing a new one being effectively utilised. Instead in this age , they could easily scale games and graphical leaps are increasingly incremental. Again so why wait until the financial dip that would come with waiting until 2024/5?

Marketing wise, its entirely up Nintendo how they wish to play it. The DS Lite ushered in a new era for the DS line of products and the phat DS was quickly phased out. It was just as effective a  new system launch. Since we referenced Xbox Series X, it's worth noting that MS have literally commited to supporting Xbox One for an additional 2 years. The whole industry now is fairly different from what we had 10 years ago, so I don't feel it necessary to cling to what used to be done and assume thats the only thing consumers will accept or companies will push. People on this forum also thought a PS4 Pro/Xbox One X would not happen, many argued the Switch lite defeats the point of the Switch.

I'm also curious what people think Nintendo learned from their failure transitioning from Wii-Wii U. 

You seem to be ignoring my biggest statement about hard resets. They inject new life into the companies when sales start to dip. When hardware and software sales aren't what they used to be, the hard reset comes in to change the entire narrative. That's what XSeX and PS5 are doing regardless of supporting Xbone or not. The point of a hard reset isn't the graphics boost or the new innovation, it's the sales boost that software and hardware receive when they slow down immensely. 

Other than DS lite, there has never been a dramatic shift in sales from a soft upgrade. Not in software or hardware and certainly not in the number of 3rs party support. The games won't increase for the switch just because there's a powerful version put there. The only way more games will come is if 3rd parties sell like crazy on the switch. Ninty needs to prove it can sell 3rd party games like crazy and the barrier is bigger than it is for the rest who automatically get them. But when they start to sell 3rd party games, more come like even EA has 7 games for it now and the switch has a mindboggling amount of games already. More than 1200 I believe or at least more than 1000. Granted a lot are cheap cashgrabs. 

But hardware power will not get Nintendo more third party, more sales will and for that, prolonging the life of the switch is actually more beneficial because if Ninty releases a switch 2, third parties will look at the strong brand of the switch and how much it sold and want to jump on it early which will of course create positive marketing and more sales and games will come. I personally believe that will bring more 3rd parties in than an early increase because the switch will be a hardcore gamer success unlike the Wii which was a fad.

Also, the fact that the more they wait, the more power they can pack into the thing and the closer they can be to the ps6 and neXtbox, whatever they may be. Add in that mobile chip tech right now is developing really fast and quickly approaching non mobile chip tech in many avenues and waiting might be the best thing for power, games and marketing. 

I do think Ninty will release a pro version plus even a cheap TV only version that maybe has the pro chip and sell it for $200. Ninty can do a lot before it gets the real hard reset. And guess what they can still say that they will support the switch pro version for 2 years like Microsoft and it won't matter because the real hype and marketing will be around the new model. All they need is backwards support and people will eat it like cake. 

I personally would love a chain approach where they keep supporting 2 versions at the same time and replace the oldest supported version with a new one every 4 years so your version can last for 8 years if you want but I don't think that will net them the right amount of profits and sales. We'll see what Ninty does but looking at what we have right now, I see no evidence of that approach and all I see is at least 2024 spring.

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