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shikamaru317 said:
RolStoppable said:

Your post raises a few questions:

1. What rational basis do you have in order to assign such great importance to AAA third party games? It can't be sales, so what is it?

2. Switch has been out for over three years now. Has it been lost on you that Switch hasn't been getting the majority of new AAA third party games during that timeframe?

3. Nintendo wrecked the Wii by moving on far too soon in hopes of getting more AAA third party games. Before the Wii U launched, AAA third party publishers already withheld ~75% of upcoming games that were scheduled to release on the PS3 and 360. What makes you confident that Nintendo will be stupid enough to repeat the same mistake?

1. Not just AAA's, but smaller 3rd parties as well. Switch is great as a secondary system, but I feel like there aren't alot of gamers using it as their primary system, unless they really like Nintendo 1st party. Nintendo 1st party is strong, nobody can dispute that, but in the end you're only getting like 5 or 6 Nintendo 1st/2nd party games a year, that leaves alot of dry periods, unless you like indies or smaller Japanese games alot (which some do, but not all gamers). Switch just doesn't feel like a complete package for a gamer like myself who likes many different types of games, specifically because it is largely lacking in the 3rd party department, especially western AA's and AAA's. 

2. That fact isn't lost on me at all. Switch, much like Wii and Wii U, is largely being avoided by the larger western publishers and even the smaller ones, sometimes Japanese publishers as well. When it does get those games, they are late ports, sometimes bad ports at that. I absolutely feel like if Switch was the complete package it would be selling even better than it already is. The concept of a portable/console hybrid was clearly a great idea or else Switch wouldn't be selling as well as it is, but the lower specs that the handheld form factor necessitates also makes getting the latest, state of the art games to run on the Switch a nightmare of porting. However, MS seemingly planning to offer a lower end entry level next gen console might just be able to change that situation for Nintendo finally. If Lockhart is indeed 4 tflop, Nintendo might just be able to pull off something like 3 tflop docked, 1.5 tflop handheld by 2023, which would make getting ports of next-gen AA's and AAA's much easier for Nintendo, as the downgrades needed would be far less extensive than those needed on Switch with current gen games. Nintendo has an actual opportunity to have the best of both worlds for most of next gen, both the successful hybrid form factor, and the latest 3rd party support for the latter half of the 9th gen. They should take advantage of that. If the form factor is what lead to the success of Switch 1, there is no reason to believe that a successor with the same hybrid form factor, but higher specs that allow it to get more games from 3rd parties, wouldn't be an even bigger success for Nintendo. 

3. I was under the impression that Wii's sales started to tank before the Wii U was even announced. Weren't 2011 sales already down by about 35% compared to 2010 sales? I don't think it was Wii U that killed Wii, so much as it was that the motion control fad was already starting to die out, people were ready for new hardware that wasn't so gimmicky. Wii U was just a poor idea all around, they just replaced one gimmick with another, and it was a gimmick that people didn't really like all that much. If Wii U had been a proper next-gen console aimed at core gamers, without the silly tablet gimmick and specs that were at least triple the specs of the 360 and PS3, I think it would been more successful than Wii U was, obviously not a Switch level success, but probably would have been able to move somewhere between Gamecube and N64 numbers, since they would have had the early sales advantage of having the first next-gen console. 

The Wii died because Nintendo stopped making any games for it. Tell me how many games for the Wii came between 2010 and 2013? They won't have that problem with the switch.



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