(POSSIBLE SPOILERS INSIDE) The agenda and political discussion of Naughty Dog

[DonFerrari]

Runa216 said:
Honestly, I'm shocked at the discourse this thread has taken. Seriously 'she has to be trans because she's buff' and 'her being trans is bad becuase it's political to put a trans person in the game and ND is an SJW company'? Seriously?

Alright guys. alright. First of all, no. Just no. There's nothing unreasonable about Abby's figure and it makes a tonne of sense in the context of the game - or any context, for that matter. the fact that some of you are going so far to justify your stance or opinion on the matter is outright laughable, an olympic-level bit of mental acrobatics. It's not a debate. Some of you are just wrong and being foolish and it's kinda funny that people are humouring you.

Second of all, who the fuck cares? Who cares if she's trans? Trans people exist, I imagine a post-apocalyptic wasteland is a perfect opportunity to shed your external image and just be who you are, and seriously who the fuck cares if she has a penis or not. IT's not relevant to the story, it's headcanon you made up yourself in order to justify...something. I don't even know anymore. IT's a hell of a leap of logic just to get to an unreasonable conclusion based on feelings instead of rationality with no real purpose other than to convince yourself that someone in a game you didn't make is a thing that apparently matters to you just so you can turn around and act like it doesn't matter to you? You can't go through so many hoops to justify your belief that a character is trans just to say 'but that shouldn't matter, it's the characterization I don't like!'

If you didn't care or it wasn't important to you, you wouldn't be putting so much effort into your twisted logic to justify it.

Thirdly, who the fuck cares if Naughty dog is an SJW shill or pandering? The world has been dominated by straight white males and the industry has been that way for as long as there's been an industry; why would it be such a bad thing to try something new? Who does it hurt to say 'you know what? we're a progressive company, let's make the main character to our next story a lesbian woman!'? Who does that hurt. If you don't like it, then don't play it. It's not like white male protagonists are going away. This fear of white genocide or the gay agenda or whatever 'the minorities are getting power, let's find a way to make it look like they wanna wipe us all out and replace us with fags/women/black people' objective is pathetic. IT's pathetic. It's absolutely disgraceful that some people are so insecure that they can't handle playing a woman protagonist or a person who's sexuality doesn't match up with theirs or play a game that has a political ideal that doesn't line up with your own.

The lot of you (and you know who you are) are bitching and moaning and whining about representation in your games, decrying it as propaganda...but I still don't see how representation is bad. Women have been playing games with male protagonists for as long as there have been games. Homosexual people have played games with straight protagonists for as long as there have been games.

At the worst possible outcome of all this, the majority (straight white males, presumably) just has to experience the same thing minorities have been experiencing all along. A little bit of perspective would do you some good. Stop being so selfish. Stop putting SO MUCH GODDAMN EFFORT into proving something or convincing yourself of something just for an excuse to complain about it. Stop gatekeeping who can be represented in your media. Stop acting like you're being oppressed becuase instead of representing only 95% of all gaming protagonists you only represent 87%.

Your representation isn't going anywhere just becuase some games have protagonists or characters that don't represent you.

And no, I don't believe you for a second when you say 'but it's not about that!' If it wasn't about this, you wouldn't have spent like 10 pages of this thread just debating whether or not Abby's figure was likely as a cis-female character. If it didn't matter, you wouldn't have made it matter. And the worst thing is...90% of the responses to this will STILL be variations of 'you don't get it' or 'that's not what this is about' or 'That's not what we're saying' or some variation of that stance. I've been reading this thread and others long enough to know that it's precisely about white male fragility, insecure masculinity, and whiners complaining that something doesn't represent them all while ignoring the irony that is that so many haven't felt represented for so long and now they just know how it feels to not be catered to.

This should not be an issue, yet here we are. congratulations!

Man if you can't keep civil without dishing out accusations, say you don't care about the thread and don't name who you are talking to I would ask you to stop posting in the thread since you are going against all that was asked on the OP. You are doing much worse than the people you are accusing. Dunno if you have a personal stake being either a minority or loving ones are, but you are taking it to personal.