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iron_megalith on 22 June 2020
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elazz said:

I'm so confused. Not about the game but about people saying this game has a certain political agenda.

First I don't understand how general inclusiveness is a political thing. Especially when it concerns what those employees believe in at Naughty Dog. Seems all quite normal in 2020. As long as you are honest, fair, try to add improve something of yourself or around you one step at a time it doesn't matter what your orientation is or what your believes are.

Although even crazier is the game. I don't see a single moment where a certain agenda is pushed. A couple kisses by two females, reference of a gay flag or playing as a muscular woman are such a small percentage of the game. I don't even understand why that's such a big deal. Those are actually quite normal things.

That Dina is a bit of a boring character has nothing to do with any of these "agenda's, politics". It is more of a writing issue and in most games you have these characters. In Uncharted; in Horizon, in Mass Effect. And actually Dina isn't that bad. Just nothing too special.

I assume you were referring to my post. So I'll reply back.

If the characters were not gay, would it have made TLOU any less good? Hard to say. Obviously, some of the lovable character's behaviors and actions hinged on their respective identity. But there's absolutely no proof they can't craft a story that had a different take on the character's identity.

Does it elevate the experience any further because "we're so diverse!"? Absolutely fucking not. Time and time again, it is proven that if you try to sell "diversity" as one of your story's main selling point, it really doesn't fucking matter when it's hot garbage. If you were aware, Batwoman was a really hyped show and it touted the character's identity as as one of the key points. Fast Forward today, show's in hot water due to very low ratings. And some people are blaming that society is just a bunch of bigots and easily disregarding the possibility that perhaps people just didn't find the show interesting.

For TLOU, I remember everyone was cheering how it was a victory for LGBT community that even if I remember correctly, Neil was touting it as well. Nothing bad about it.  The problem is when Neil himself had a very vocal stance against against people that criticized the presentation of Ellie's identity and just threw in a very simplistic rhetoric of calling these criticisms coming from homophobes. There were different opinions about Ellie's reveal. Some liked it. Some did not. But majority of which, everyone who did not like it can be easily labeled as a Homophobe.

By the way, there is one thing that I found really eyebrow raising and funny in the story.

Spoiler!
Ellie was able to forgive Abby for killing Joel but cannot forgive a "stereotypical old bigot white male" that offered their apologies(sincere or not) and gave her a sandwich along with it.

You would be surprised how many non white male or female are against homosexuality. But yes, it's easy to relate to people when it's an old white man that's doing it. Now whether that particular scene added anything to the story, I would argue it never made any fucking sense. The only thing that mattered there again was Joel and Ellie's interaction.
Last edited by iron_megalith - on 22 June 2020