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goopy20 on 08 June 2020
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LudicrousSpeed said:
goopy20 said:

It's not me making up theories or spinning things. MS has openly said all those thing and we've already seen what "optimized for Series X" games actually look like. MS is calling it next gen games that people need to "feel" in order to understand why they are next gen in the first place.

I wouldn't say Phil Spencer was doing damage control. It's just that they have put their strategy in motion and they're running with it. Sony didn't need people to "feel" that UE5 demo, nor should any next gen game. People should be able to look at them and instantly see the difference between current gen and get excited about it.

Are you sure MS isn't already making games that'll run on Samsung TV? MS is already in talks about bringing Xcloud to Samsung tv's and phones... MS truly believes there's not going to be another console generation after this one and is convinced dedicated gaming consoles/pc's will be as obsolete as DVD players are now. 

Microsoft and Samsung partner on Xbox cloud-based game streaming

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/12/21134167/microsoft-samsung-xbox-partnership-xcloud-cloud-game-streaming

Fair enough, maybe I am exaggerating a bit when I say potato pc. But lets be honest, a 750ti isn't exactly cutting edge in 2020. I do believe MS will be targeting higher than that with their Series X games. My guess is something like a GTX1060 for the first couple of years. But unless Nvidia and AMD will be practically giving them away for free, it's definitely not going to be a RTX2070 Super and a NVME SSD, like what Sony will likely be targeting with their exclusives from day one.

Just think about it man. How is MS supposed to grow their GP subscribers when they start putting games on there that only 3% of the potential pc gamers will be able to run?

I'm talking games designed for Samsung TV's, not cloud gaming streamed to them. Since you think everything must be designed for the lowest common denominator. Also we haven't seen what games optimized for XSX look like. We've seen a very small sample from small studios. That would be like me saying we've already seen what PS5 games look like, just look at Godfall. Does that make sense? Of course it doesn't.

You're still taking Phil's quote about the feel entirely out of context. How surprising. Also, MS will grow GP by selling tens of millions of XSX consoles, and using xCloud to stream games to phones and televisions, and increasing their PC presence. All of that is infinitely more logical than "uh lets release the most powerful console ever but actually design our games to run on integrated graphics cards and support the launch Xbox One" lol.

Xcloud is obviously their end game but Cloud Gaming probably isn't going to take off before next gen is over, if at all. If it does work then yes, you're right and it wouldn't matter anymore which platforms they would be supporting.

It's not so much about the games they have shown. IT's about the strategy of both companies. We've only seen glimpses of Godfall and I totally agree that it doesn't scream next gen, but the UE5 demo was a different story, though. What I can tell you right now is that Sony wasn't kidding when they said next gen starts when we say so. Don't take my word for it and just watch the ps5 event on Thursday. Even though you will probably still just write it off as just shiny graphics, the rest of the world is probably going to disagree with you on that. And MS is going to have to come up with something much better than Xone games with a bunch off optimized for Series X and Smart Delivery logos.