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goopy20 on 08 June 2020
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LudicrousSpeed said:
goopy20 said:

You're right, nobody cares about specs, people just look at the games. And when it comes to next gen graphics, they should be self explanatory. My half blind granny could look at that UE5 demo and immediately tell the difference from current gen. MS failed to do the same with their "optimized for Series X" games and have literally said that it's harder to promote their next gen games because people need to feel 60fps and 4k. 

The UE5 engine might scale all the way down to mobiles but that tech demo, does not. The whole point of it was to show what the ps5, and their SSD tech in particular, can do. Maybe it does run on a RTX2070 Super with a NVME SSD, but it would still be physically impossible to run on current gen consoles, unlike any of the "optimized for Series X" games we've seen that'll run fine on a Xone. That is the difference between games "that just like pc, scale up and down a family of devices (including the Xone)" and games that are specifically designed for next gen hardware.

Sony is going for the old fashioned approach and are doing a complete reset. They will probably show games during their reveal that can potentially take full advantage of the ps5 hardware, while MS is doing the exact opposite with Series X and are going for a more pc-like approach. This is not me speculating or making up theories, it's literally what Phil Spencer been talking about for months. Like I said, the difference between Halo Infinite on Xone and Series X, will likely be comparable to Gears 5 on Xone vs the pc version on ultra settings. It will look a lot better but do you honestly believe it will have different ai, physics and completely different level design? Scaling down, like we're seeing on pc, doesn't really work like that man. 

Yeah people look at the games. You’re harping on a tech demo though, not a game lol. A tech demo that would look at least as good on XSX if not better since it has more power.

You expect PS5 launch titles to have big advancements in any of the things you listed? We went over this already in another thread where you were spreading this FUD. You even tried to tell us Infamous SS had big gameplay enhancements not possible on PS3 and linked to a DF article that said exactly what I was telling you already... it looked great but played like everything else. 

As for Halo, who knows? We can go with what your optimistic gut is telling us, or what the developers of the game say and Microsoft’s own history with cross gen games. Tough call.

Like I said, next gen graphics should be self explanatory. If MS has to explain why Series X games are next gen because we need to feel 60fps, they're either doing a piss poor job promoting their next gen console or... they are not trying to push next gen gaming at all. Spoiler alert! They're not, because for the millionth time, they're running with a completely different strategy. They want every pc gamer to be able to play their games, no matter if you have a $3000 NASA super computer or you're playing games on a potato. It makes total sense when you look at how successful games like Minecraft and Fortnite are, but it's just not what people are typically expecting from a next gen console that's supposed to blow us away. This is why their event got the reactions it did, not because the games themselves looked terrible. 

Sony, on the other hand, is doing things the traditional way. They don't want people with potato pc's and current gen consoles to play ps5 games. Hell, their entire console is build around a SSD that's not even available on consumer pc's, and the UE5 demo was just a demonstration of that. It wasn't just a tech demo, it was the first glimpse of what next gen games should, and will look like according to Sony's vision. Which is not current gen games with just a bump in resolution and framerate like we're already seeing on pc and the mid-gen consoles.  

Not saying the early ps5 games are guaranteed to be awesome because of it, but there's no guarantee they will suck either. We'll just have to wait till Sony makes its first big move. However, it would be pretty weird if their ps5 exclusives won't take advantage of next gen features like their SSD. And because of that they should show a self explanatory leap over anything we've seen before. 

Now I'm not sure why you're calling me a pessimistic when everything I'm saying is coming straight from uncle Phil himself. MAybe you haven't been getting the notes, so just a recap here...

Microsoft doesn't care if you buy the next-generation Xbox

https://www.businessinsider.com/xbox-vs-playstation-microsoft-strategy-2020-5?international=true&r=US&IR=T

Microsoft’s Xbox boss says Amazon and Google are ‘the main competitors going forward’

https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/5/21123956/microsoft-xbox-competitors-phil-spencer-cloud-gaming-amazon-google

All of our games… will play up and down that family of devices – Xbox’s Matt Booty ends the next-gen exclusive as we know it

https://www.mcvuk.com/business-news/we-need-to-deliver-on-the-promises-that-we-make-xbox-game-studios-matt-booty-on-the-future-of-xbox/

Phil Spencer says you might not appreciate how much better next-gen games are until you can "feel" the improvement that comes with 60 FPS.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-series-x-phil-spencer-says-you-cant-even-appr/1100-6477747/

MS is putting themselves in a tricky situation if they're goal is to sell 100m Series X's and I'm pretty sure they are aware of that. But it's pretty obvious that's not their goal anyway. Their strategy is set and they're not going to change it now, even if they do get crap after showing their "optimized for Series X" games. If that was the case, they would have told us by now that games like Halo Infinite were designed specifically for Series X and they're outsourcing ports for the Xone versions running on older tech. That's what they did when Forza Horizon 2 was announced for the 360 and Xone and everyone was pissed it would be held back because it was a cross-gen title. 

Last edited by goopy20 - on 08 June 2020