Pemalite said:
EnricoPallazzo said:
There was nothing really big US could do. even if 100% of people stayed home, still you would get a huge number of infections and people dying.
Of course several governors and the president not supporting lockdown just made things worse, but based on what we can read from other countries, there is not much you can do except prepare to have the least number of deaths. Still death per 1M in US is half of several other european countries affected. Could this be less? Definitely, but I cant imagine it being less than 50% of what it is right now, if the number of deaths in US is correct.
The protests now though will impact people a lot in US specially poor people.
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I disagree. And just because Europe might have shit numbers, doesn't equate to the US numbers being good either, the USA is still leading the planet on the most COVID deaths.
You should have closed your borders to the world sooner.
You should have implemented social distancing rules sooner and to a greater extent.
More extensive COVID testing needed to be done.
All levels of Government needed to cohesively work together... Not have Trump blame states and states blame Trump.
Cross-border travel between states needed to be restricted to essentials only and the economy put into hibernation.
Better contact tracing needed to occur.
But then people get upset their "rights" are being taken away and throw all that hard work out the window by protesting. Which is exactly what they did... That is in stark contrast to Australia and New Zealand where Federal, State and Local governments worked together and the citizens of the respective countries complied with Government directives which benefited the greater good.
EnricoPallazzo said:
There was nothing really big US could do. even if 100% of people stayed home, still you would get a huge number of infections and people dying.
Of course several governors and the president not supporting lockdown just made things worse, but based on what we can read from other countries, there is not much you can do except prepare to have the least number of deaths. Still death per 1M in US is half of several other european countries affected. Could this be less? Definitely, but I cant imagine it being less than 50% of what it is right now, if the number of deaths in US is correct.
The protests now though will impact people a lot in US specially poor people.
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See what happens in a few weeks with the current political climate in the USA putting social distancing and hygiene on the backburner, might be a substantial uptick in deaths going forth... Where-as Australia has defeated the virus and is returning to normal.
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In this case I agree with you 100%. Actually I believe a HUGE % of he contagion could have been avoided using just social distancing, working from home, closing internal and external borders, masks and avoiding public transport and etc. Of course we would still have deaths, a huge impact on the economy and unemployment, but it would be much lower than what we had and much less traumatic.
But then we have the cultural factor I mentioned to you and you exposed very well. The western world is very attached to "muh liberties" even when it is bad for us and the others. That is different in Asia for several reasons that wont go into.
Also there is the problem of backlash of media and social media. I definitely dont like trump but I like his style of having balls to make some decisions even if the media is going to hate. I remembered when he decided to close the borders for certain regions how he got destroyed everywhere. It was one of the first 1st world countries to close the borders. I said to my wife "now he had the balls to do it, others will follow". Which happened. And now the same media agrees it was the best decision.
In UK (where I live) I was baffled to see that even during the worst moments, we had daily planes arriving from all over europe and Asia every day with no checks whatsoever, absolutely nothing.
But I agree with you, the approach should have been the same from all front, president, governors, hospitals, companies, media and etc. Yet we kept fighting among ourselves. Asian countries have a much different approach. Maybe we will learn. Probably not.
