Do We Really Want a New Cold War?

[Eagle367]

iron_megalith said:

Eagle367 said:

Again, stop confusing western ideals with imperialist US. The US never gave anything to the middle east, Africa and South America where they invaded. Ni western ideals transferred due to the hegemony of the US nor were they protected. Whether it's chinese rule or US rule, the countries with democracy and freedoms will still have them. They have them regardless of the super power. And China won't affect that. If super powers had any affect on that, then countries would be a lot more oligarchic than they are. I don't agree with the notion that a change in hegemony will affect that. 

The fuck are you saying? I'm talking about my country. US government took over my home country for a few decades and denied us total freedom to govern the country ourselves. It was arguable what kind of government we would have had if they didn't take over. Given the circumstance, it would have most likely been a militaristic authoritarian regime given the personal interest that the revolutionary fighters had.

Even under the rule of the Americans, our bright leaders at that time were able to play by the rules in most cases and rally to fight for that right. Relatively, it was less bloodshed compared to our past struggles. Eventually we were able to get it. If we were governed by authoritarian regimes, shit like this won't fly and there would have been another bloody revolution. 

Skip to present day, whatever the clusterfuck that happened that landed my country in the gutter was entirely on us. The citizens that run OUR OWN nation. I would rather have a fucked up present than having an authoritarian regime that makes us believe that we are under a "perfect" governance. So yes, the US government did in fact greatly influence our country to adapt a democratic government which is aligned to the western ideals.

Now with regards to whatever the fuck happened with Iraq is a different set of circumstances. Whether the US government was right on taking down Saddam is a grey area. However, nobody can deny that Saddam is a dangerous person that was increasingly becoming a global threat. If anyone says otherwise, I do not fucking want to talk about it nor argue about this braindead revisionist story that you're propagating.

Therein lies the problem. You all keep saying other are a global threat but fail to look at the highest global threat right in front of your eyes. The US is the biggest global threat right now and much more than China. It's laughable you think a small dictator was a bigger threat than the imperialist wet mongering Americans, Russians and the terrorism supporting Saudis. But I do agree with you. I'd rather we live in our own ways rather than what a super power deems perfect. That's why I won't choose China or the US. 

The US has taken the choice away from many nations like Iraq. And a foreign nation killing a dictator always makes things worse because no stabilizing power exists and it's always a bad choice. That's why Iraq sucks and slave markets exist in Libya because the most destructive elements take over. 

I refuse to confuse western ideals with the imperialist US either. The modern Western ideals are far and away from US ideals and ambitions. The US ambitions are dangerous just as CCP ones are.