Do We Really Want a New Cold War?

[iron_megalith]

Eagle367 said:

iron_megalith said:

Are you that blind or just completely ignorant about it?

They're already doing some of the things you're saying the US government is doing. You think China is not doing any ethnic cleansing in their backyard? Read up on the things going on in Xinjiang where ethnic minorities are sent to """re-education""" camps. Not to mention there have been allegations that these detainees may also be used for China's already questionable Organ Transplant industry.

US government has definitely done some fucked up shit. If you're telling me this, you're preaching to the fucking choir. My home country was the recipient of their imperialistic rule at some point. However, never would I side with CCP just so I can stand up against US government's previous atrocities.

One of the best things western ideals has given us is to speak out our minds. You and I are enjoying this freedom at this very moment. You're free to call them out for their shit. If you make a loud enough noise and back it up with actions, changes can happen. In CCP's rule, none of that shit is allowed if it's aimed at their principles or if it questions their authority. It's no brainier that I would chose the side that at least let's people get a chance to take a hold of their destiny.

Again, stop confusing western ideals with imperialist US. The US never gave anything to the middle east, Africa and South America where they invaded. Ni western ideals transferred due to the hegemony of the US nor were they protected. Whether it's chinese rule or US rule, the countries with democracy and freedoms will still have them. They have them regardless of the super power. And China won't affect that. If super powers had any affect on that, then countries would be a lot more oligarchic than they are. I don't agree with the notion that a change in hegemony will affect that. 

The fuck are you saying? I'm talking about my country. US government took over my home country for a few decades and denied us total freedom to govern the country ourselves. It was arguable what kind of government we would have had if they didn't take over. Given the circumstance, it would have most likely been a militaristic authoritarian regime given the personal interest that the revolutionary fighters had.

Even under the rule of the Americans, our bright leaders at that time were able to play by the rules in most cases and rally to fight for that right. Relatively, it was less bloodshed compared to our past struggles. Eventually we were able to get it. If we were governed by authoritarian regimes, shit like this won't fly and there would have been another bloody revolution. 

Skip to present day, whatever the clusterfuck that happened that landed my country in the gutter was entirely on us. The citizens that run OUR OWN nation. I would rather have a fucked up present than having an authoritarian regime that makes us believe that we are under a "perfect" governance. So yes, the US government did in fact greatly influence our country to adapt a democratic government which is aligned to the western ideals.

Now with regards to whatever the fuck happened with Iraq is a different set of circumstances. Whether the US government was right on taking down Saddam is a grey area. However, nobody can deny that Saddam is a dangerous person that was increasingly becoming a global threat. If anyone says otherwise, I do not fucking want to talk about it nor argue about this braindead revisionist story that you're propagating.

Last edited by iron_megalith - on 30 May 2020