Do We Really Want a New Cold War?

[Eagle367]

iron_megalith said:

Eagle367 said:

I can't judge countries on what they might do, only what they have done and I stand by my statement. The US has been at it for centuries. If you look at China's history even before the CCP, when was the last time they did any of these sorts of things? You are right what China is doing in Hong Kong is horrendous and I stand with Hong Kong just like I stand with Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya, Syria and any nation being terrorized by The Empire. And let's not pretend US even gives pretend democracy to all it's regions. You know all the places that cannot vote even though they are part of the US like American Samoa.

Look the thing is, you're all in a delusion that this is about good and bad, it's not. It's about bad and bad. I know both sides are shitty. Stop pretending one side has the moral superiority to judge what to do with the other side and base it on a moral decision. It's not gonna be a moral decision. It's gonna be one made looking at what benefits they can selfishly get. For the US, it'll be about how their oligarchs can make more money off of world war 3. And I don't think China wants war anyways. At least not right now.

So pick your poison cause I won't. But you all seem to have a problem with me pointing out that you are drinking poison either way.

Are you that blind or just completely ignorant about it?

They're already doing some of the things you're saying the US government is doing. You think China is not doing any ethnic cleansing in their backyard? Read up on the things going on in Xinjiang where ethnic minorities are sent to """re-education""" camps. Not to mention there have been allegations that these detainees may also be used for China's already questionable Organ Transplant industry.

US government has definitely done some fucked up shit. If you're telling me this, you're preaching to the fucking choir. My home country was the recipient of their imperialistic rule at some point. However, never would I side with CCP just so I can stand up against US government's previous atrocities.

One of the best things western ideals has given us is to speak out our minds. You and I are enjoying this freedom at this very moment. You're free to call them out for their shit. If you make a loud enough noise and back it up with actions, changes can happen. In CCP's rule, none of that shit is allowed if it's aimed at their principles or if it questions their authority. It's no brainier that I would chose the side that at least let's people get a chance to take a hold of their destiny.

Again, stop confusing western ideals with imperialist US. The US never gave anything to the middle east, Africa and South America where they invaded. Ni western ideals transferred due to the hegemony of the US nor were they protected. Whether it's chinese rule or US rule, the countries with democracy and freedoms will still have them. They have them regardless of the super power. And China won't affect that. If super powers had any affect on that, then countries would be a lot more oligarchic than they are. I don't agree with the notion that a change in hegemony will affect that.