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tsogud on 20 May 2020
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Moren said:
tsogud said:

You railed against Bernie and his policies all primary long full well knowing it would actually help poc and marginalized communities and it would have been way easier to unify under him. You have absolutely no ground to stand on. If you really wanted to help people you'd have vote Bernie or Warren or help push Biden left. Instead you hurl insults and vote shame others for not wanting poc to be taken for granted once again and then thrown to the side. It seems it was never about helping people.

Trump didn't invent bigotry and systematic racism, and it won't stop with him, it was put in place by both parties over the centuries and neither are going to cede real ground unless POC and working class people organize and work together and demand policies that'll help them thrive. This isn't a game, it's people's lives, it's my life and it's yours too.

A task force isn't M4A, a task force isn't going to save our country from the climate crisis, a task force isn't going to stop voter suppression. We must demand these things because it won't be given to us if we keep settling for crumbs.

Just because you think Bernie is the only one who can help people and improve lives doesn't make it an objective fact, and it sure as hell doesn't make you the moral arbiter you pretend to be. And "easier to unify"? That's laughable. My hate for Trump would have personally made me hold my nose and support Bernie, but let's not be revisionist and pretend the voters didn't unify against Bernie as soon as they could. Maybe Warren was tracking to be a better unifier, but the left ditched her too - huge missed opportunity. Also, while you're at it, stop pretending to speak for all people of color.

Trump didn't invent bigotry or systematic racism, sure. But we can all close our eyes and pretend he hasn't put an extraordinary burden on vulnerable communities that wouldn't have existed under a Democrat, or accept reality for what it is.

A task force with people like the Sunrise co-founder, Jayapal, El-Sayed and AOC creates accountability and gives them a voice on the table. 

@bolded: Don't put words into my mouth. I've stated numerous times how my views differs from Sanders. I don't expect Sanders to fully understand what poc go through, especially queer poc, because after all he is an old white cis man but at least he tried his level best and his policies were the most universal in the whole primary and helped the most vulnerable. I would've voted for Warren if she was the nominee, despite her ignorance regarding my people, because at least she was competent and could be swayed left more easily because she's not stubborn like Biden.

Also don't tone police me, if it's my truth and if it's the truth of most poc then I will speak about it and raise awareness. You sure as hell aren't. I'm not a moral arbiter and I don't pretend to be but if you think so that's you convicting your own self. That's says more about you then it does me and maybe you need to reevaluate your ideals and stance but honestly that's none of my business and I won't speak on it further.

And weren't you the one in this thread that said they'd not vote for Bernie if he was the nominee?? I could be wrong but it was said and I think it was you. In any case that's irrelevant now.

I'm not looking for a white savior or savior of any kind, I'm looking for someone who will fight for the people even when the weight and pressure of the rich and powerful are against them. It doesn't start and end with the presidency but the people would've had major pull if the president is on their side instead of the wealthy and well-connected.

I personally like Obama and thought his presidency for the most part was well handled but you can't just close your eyes and pretend he didn't have innocent blood on his hands. Not to mention cruel border control policies and infrastructure put in place by his administration. You can put your rose-colored glasses on because you have that privilege but for the people who were directly affected there's no difference in the cruelty being perpetuated whether it's by a Democrat or Republican.

I want a progressive woc like Nina Turner as his VP but I'll settle for Warren though. I'm closely looking at his VP choice to see if he really is trying to adopt a more populist platform and administration.

I'd really appreciate it if that in the future for you to stop with the personal attacks and just focus on the topic at hand. It's for everybody's benefit when discussing topics as personal as politics. 

Last edited by tsogud - on 20 May 2020